I have found MSFS is not as "fun" largely because the realism and immersion is dialed up so high, I feel very self-conscious about doing all the hooligan stuff that I enjoy.  I'm far more motivated to follow the rules and fly by the book.  And some of the things that make those hooliganistic activities possible are not in the sim.  Flying under bridges, making inverted passes down the runway with the tip of my tail 1 foot or less away from the pavement with smoke on, etc. 

I flew all the way across the U.S. and when I got to the West Coast I couldn't make in inverted pass with smoke through the open Hangar One at Moffett Field because it's just a flat structure in the sim, we don't have smoke and we don't have a replay function to capture and re-watch the moment, either.

 

17 hours ago, andyjohnston.net said:

Is it just me?

Pretty much

8 hours ago, rtodepart said:

probably just you .I  wonder if you was expecting a few pages of people replying to this thread spiting fire out of their brain saying how bad FS2020 is and also saying this is a GAME not a sim .. was that what you was expecting to see ???? 

I like others are aware of the FLAWS of FS2020 but you trully cant compare FS2020 with FSX both on their default aircraft not ignoring the current issues being worked on despite the heat from some remeber the default 737 in FSX ???? 

can you please go back to FSX and compare your experience in multiplayer with FS2020 ??? 

I had got myself flying with random people in multiplayer for a couple of hours and just the multiplayer experience had got me and a few other RWP spending wayyy too much time in FS2020 . 

northing against you at all I respect your opinion but i just dont see how FS2020 with its current flaws not be fun at ALL . 

Not at all, in fact I'm surprised at the amount of discussion this post provoked.

 

I asked because for some reason, I'm just not finding this version as compelling as previous ones, and was wondering if I was the only one.  One or two people agreed, while the rest said they like it.  So not just me, but pretty much.

I know there are flaws, and hopefully some will be rectified with time.

I neve had any issues with the FSX 737, other than the POV seemed a little off.

I made a several thousand mile flight today in the 747, then went to begin my descent.  The plane dropped into a dive so steep that it eventually turned itself around and started climbing again inverted.  Then it lost all control and crashed.  Again, maybe something like that is due to the aforementioned flaws in the software.

19 hours ago, andyjohnston.net said:

Although I have to admit that both the scenery and aircraft in MSFS look fantastic, somehow I just don't find it as much "fun" as older versions.  Is it just me?

What do you think generates a sense of 'fun' for you in the 'older versions'?  Looking at your comments you strike me as someone who really isn't into this very deeply as a hobby.  I think most of the folks who remained stoked about MSFS in this thread and others are rather deeply into the hobby of flight simming and it means a lot to them, and as such they're having as much or more 'fun' as they have ever had and more in the new sim.  I've used the older sims dating all the way back to 1982 and I still use P3D on occasion but most of my time now is in MSFS, shockingly, since I've now been flying only one plane (TBM930) in it since August--I would have died of boredom had I flown just one plane in P3D for this long!  I'm looking forward to PMDG/Majestic showing up in MSFS but for now I'm enjoying the heck out of MSFS, flying nearly daily.   I think one factor that helps came over from P3D for me, and that is trying to adhere to good piloting practices which I developed using FSCaptain in P3D, an app that monitors your flying behaviors and scores each flight among other things.  So I monitor myself now in MSFS and await FSCaptain arriving for it which will very likely happen as the SDK matures.  This helps keep me focused to make the flight as perfect as able.  And flying, once you're at TOC and before TOD can be quite boring, right?  It helps to have a reason to fly--aiming for a perfecly executed flight plan.  Plus, I feel the 'pretty scenery' in MSFS is far more than 'pretty'--it adds major meaning to flying to see what's actually there versus the cartoonish attempt at reality in the other sims offer, in general.

15 hours ago, andyjohnston.net said:

Not at all, in fact I'm surprised at the amount of discussion this post provoked.

 

I asked because for some reason, I'm just not finding this version as compelling as previous ones, and was wondering if I was the only one.  One or two people agreed, while the rest said they like it.  So not just me, but pretty much.

I know there are flaws, and hopefully some will be rectified with time.

I neve had any issues with the FSX 737, other than the POV seemed a little off.

I made a several thousand mile flight today in the 747, then went to begin my descent.  The plane dropped into a dive so steep that it eventually turned itself around and started climbing again inverted.  Then it lost all control and crashed.  Again, maybe something like that is due to the aforementioned flaws in the software.

All of us knows, that the MSFS jetliners are close to unusable condition in this time yet. It's a shame, but it does not make any sense to fight various bugs and still wait for the monent, when autopilot try to kill you 🙂 . Is much more better to use aircrafts, which are i good development condition and it is possible use it bugless. I believe, that jetliners will be fixed sometime in the future. But I have a lot of fun with smaller planes now.

Edited November 13, 20205 yr by ludekbrno

I had an ok flight in the 787 using LNAV and loc and then finally approach mode, seemed to work and I didn't even use any STARS or Nav Aids, though I did set Dep and Arrival before the flight, so that might help. I wouldn't say unusable really, just have to be careful. I didn't pick the ILS approach runway # until the end of the flight and it was able to work (maybe I got lucky?)...

One thing I will say is the planes land a lot different than the other sims, I feel the landings still need work, but it may just be my controls and haven't bothered enough to find the sweet spots yet. I think that and the REPLAY MODE are the only things I miss from the other sims. Even the default 737 had an interesting landing to it in FSX, whereas the default jetliners in this seem to land a bit strange, but could just be me.

Otherwise, I still enjoy Xplane as it has some advantages over this, but the scenery in this makes it hard to fly in Xplane that often, though I do have a few Xplane sceneries that are as high quality as FS 2020 (excluding water of course). That said, in Xplane I feel locked into flying certain places and the amount of freedom FS 2020 gives is unreal.

Overall, it's a huge improvement, but there are some annoyances and grievances I have with this sim.

But yes, the missing Replay Mode is a huge downer, that was one of my favorite things to do (REPLAY!)

You can record the last couple minutes of the game though using NVIDIA or other utils, but on my upper-middle end system (RTX 2060) it does likely increase micro-stuttering chances.

 

 

 

Edited November 13, 20205 yr by SceneryFX

2 hours ago, ludekbrno said:

All of us knows, that the MSFS jetliners are close to unusable condition in this time yet.  🙂

Please dont speak for "All of us", as you have no idea who thinks what. Go tell that to the FBW team and all its users. And im not even one of them, i dont do tubeliners. 

3 hours ago, ludekbrno said:

All of us knows, that the MSFS jetliners are close to unusable condition in this time yet. It's a shame, but it does not make any sense to fight various bugs and still wait for the monent, when autopilot try to kill you 🙂 . Is much more better to use aircrafts, which are i good development condition and it is possible use it bugless. I believe, that jetliners will be fixed sometime in the future. But I have a lot of fun with smaller planes now.

Oh please speak for yourself, not everyone else..  personally I have done over 250 hours (total) in all the tubeliners, both as delivered and with A32NX mod all using A/P and none of them have failed in any way and i have had no landing issues, or diving left on approach or any form of death dive when releasing autopilot or in normal flying.

I have also flown in and out of delivered airports and custom airports all around the world.

Well, actually I lie..  I had one death dive, but that was MY fault.. not the programs.

They may not be payware level "aircraft" simulators, but for many of us they do fly fine and are quite useable as they stand, and yes, we occaisionally have small issues like a gentle rocking etc which are usually fixed next patch, but unuseable and bug ridden??   not on my copy of the sim.

Graham

Edited November 13, 20205 yr by Moria15

1 hour ago, SceneryFX said:

I had an ok flight in the 787 using LNAV and loc and then finally approach mode, seemed to work and I didn't even use any STARS or Nav Aids, though I did set Dep and Arrival before the flight, so that might help. I wouldn't say unusable really, just have to be careful. I didn't pick the ILS approach runway # until the end of the flight and it was able to work (maybe I got lucky?)...

One thing I will say is the planes land a lot different than the other sims, I feel the landings still need work, but it may just be my controls and haven't bothered enough to find the sweet spots yet. I think that and the REPLAY MODE are the only things I miss from the other sims. Even the default 737 had an interesting landing to it in FSX, whereas the default jetliners in this seem to land a bit strange, but could just be me.

Otherwise, I still enjoy Xplane as it has some advantages over this, but the scenery in this makes it hard to fly in Xplane that often, though I do have a few Xplane sceneries that are as high quality as FS 2020 (excluding water of course). That said, in Xplane I feel locked into flying certain places and the amount of freedom FS 2020 gives is unreal.

Overall, it's a huge improvement, but there are some annoyances and grievances I have with this sim.

But yes, the missing Replay Mode is a huge downer, that was one of my favorite things to do (REPLAY!)

You can record the last couple minutes of the game though using NVIDIA or other utils, but on my upper-middle end system (RTX 2060) it does likely increase micro-stuttering chances.

 

 

 

I did the same yesterday as i was getting frustrated with the AP issues on the A320. And like you i actually enjoyed the 787 for the first time as there seems to be an improvement in it since the last update.

LNAV, Loc and APP worked, i hope they can fix the Vnav before too long.I also noticed on landing it did not nose dive as it had pre update,

  I have the exact opposite opinion -- to me, MSFS is far more enjoyable, and fun, to fly than any earlier sim. The realism is extraordinary. No comparison.

On 11/11/2020 at 9:15 PM, andyjohnston.net said:

Although I have to admit that both the scenery and aircraft in MSFS look fantastic, somehow I just don't find it as much "fun" as older versions.  Is it just me?

Probably a symptom of how little we have to use own imagination these days. The wow factor and fun we experienced before was also a result of the fact that FS was more impressive compared with other technologies and graphics of other titles available at the time. Now our brains are much more passive and it takes a lot more to impress us. 

I remember being blown away by video game graphics in the past that by todays standards look like pants. Things were simply more exciting back then and we were more easily pleased and less distracted. Also because of social media, internet forums and youtube we see too much of everything in advance and there is little surprise left. I bet if someone gave us a copy of this version of MSFS with a pc powerful enough to run it in 2004 you'd be amazed and think it was the best thing since sliced bread. It's all relative to our experience and how we've all changed and being conditioned by marketing, social media, technology and mass consumerism.

Personally, I prefer the excitement and anticipation I felt in the past compared with what we generally all experience in today's world of 'right here, right now' instant gratification. Now, where's my Delorean?