7 minutes ago, himmelhorse said:

I think I can safely say that you do not mate.  I think I am very flexible with my praise and also my criticisms.  If you have followed me, (I cannot see why you would though) I have always praised MSFS but have also criticised them severely and often about their shortcomings.

I am just trying to say that you are preaching to the converted in general with your original post.  

Tony

I shouldn’t be excluded from expressing my criticism. The default jetliners are broken - very simple. It is my personal observation and I hope you could live with that, mate. If this has been mentioned many times over, add mine to the list.

Edited December 20, 20205 yr by Huascar

3 minutes ago, Huascar said:

I shouldn’t be excluded from expressing my criticism.

Your title "no planes to fly" is what is leading you down this path..

There are lots of really nice planes to fly,  just not your favorite airliners.. 😉

Amazing simulator but no planes to fly is the title of the topic.  This is simply incorrect.

The default airliners are broken, I agree with the exception of FBW A320.

You ARE entitled to your opinions and no one is denying that or has even stated that you are not.

You are still preaching to the converted.

Tony

 

20 minutes ago, himmelhorse said:

OSM,

I understand where you are coming from with this post ...

Tony

Tony, just curious, from where?

OSM,

I believe that you are coming from the point of view that expressing this point to the 3PDs is a better option than expressing a strong criticism on this forum and I agree with you. This can only be effective however, if the 3PD of choice has the resources, is willing to listen, and can actually do something about it.  As stated previously, most, if not all, 3PDs have indicated delays due to the unsuitability of the SDK at this stage of development.

I think MS/Asobo are reading the content expressed here and in other fora, but it does not have the same effect or impact as a submission to the official ZenDesk arena. 

Tony

13 hours ago, Huascar said:

There appears to be a consensus amongst most of you that this is going to take a while. I normally fly IFRs though I enjoy short VFR flights from time to time. Yes, I gave up on the default airliners. Not worth my time.

I didn't care for them much at first either, but now I fly the 747 more than anything else, it is actually pretty stable.

17 minutes ago, himmelhorse said:

OSM,

I believe that you are coming from the point of view that expressing this point to the 3PDs is a better option than expressing a strong criticism on this forum and I agree with you. This can only be effective however, if the 3PD of choice has the resources, is willing to listen, and can actually do something about it.  As stated previously, most, if not all, 3PDs have indicated delays due to the unsuitability of the SDK at this stage of development.

I think MS/Asobo are reading the content expressed here and in other fora, but it does not have the same effect or impact as a submission to the official ZenDesk arena. 

Tony

Tony, thanks for the answer. I agree with you, absolutely. As I understand this topic "Amazing simulator but no planes to fly" about 3PDs and not about MS/Asobo. I don't know why people talking about default airliners and call them 'broken". MSFS2020 PERFECT Flight simulator and has PERFECT default airplanes as for the $60 game with the age restriction 3+ years. 😄

Edited December 20, 20205 yr by OSM

1 hour ago, himmelhorse said:

the 3PDs are almost unanimous in stating that the SDK is not yet ready

Correction: The SDK as it is now, is perfectly fine to create complex aircrafts, you can ask Working Title and FlyByWire folks and they are will tell you that same thing. However of course is lacking things on the Simconnect side like access to weather and terrain data and of course the documentation. However what is PMDG problem, no idea, perhaps they want Asobo to implement advanced WASM features? 

 

Edited December 20, 20205 yr by omarsmak30

omarsmak30,

I was totally unaware of this, although very much aware of WorkingTitle and FBW. I was under the impression though, that they were working with the existing aircraft and systems, which may, or may not be, totally different to the development of,  or conversion from existing technologies implemented by the different 3PDs.

it would be very interesting to get the right information on the PMDG aircraft.  Whilst generally accepted as the slowest, but, most pedantic  developers, PMDG have definitely stated that the SDK was still immature and had contributed to the delays in bringing their aircraft to the platform. I believe QW and FSLabs have said much the same thing.  

I am not a developer and have very limited knowledge about SDKs so I have no idea of what is possible and what is not.  

However, if what you say is correct, we may well have some new aircraft in the near future.  I can only hope so.

Regards

Tony

Tony,

Not sure the SDK so "unfinished or immature" as some 3pd qualify it.  If you haven't read it yet, please have a look at this thread. Well worth going thru the few pages.

Jean-Paul

Edited December 20, 20205 yr by Jean-Paul
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1 hour ago, himmelhorse said:

I believe QW and FSLabs have said much the same thing.  

Nope QW is moving forward and they are estimating mid next year as release date with some photos that they showed in Facebook for the 787 in MSFS.

In regards to PMDG, we don't know what is the problem and honestly I won't assume anything but looking at Robert's comment at the Aerosoft CRJ thread, it looks to be as well more of steep learning curve they have to go through, check the suggested thread , a lot of info there.

In regards FSLabs, honestly I don't see them coming any time soon or at all to MSFS, first of all, pretty sure FBW at one year time will be comparable to what you would get in FSLabs and then you would ask yourself, is it really worth paying 130€ where I can get comparable thing with FBW for free? And even if they would take a decision to come to MSFS, I wouldnt be surprised if they would take 5 years, I mean the sharklets version how long it has been in development, over a year? Plus now they are busy with the concorde as their main project, so yeah forget about FSLabs in MSFS.

 

Edited December 20, 20205 yr by omarsmak30

Omarsmak30,

All very good news mate. Thanks so much for that update.  Looking forward to QW coming as it wont be very hard to beat the default 787. 

Tony

3 hours ago, himmelhorse said:

The default airliners are broken, I agree with the exception of FBW A320.

I have never flown the airbus A320 so I have a steep learning curve ahead. At some point I will do a deep dive on the FBW A320 airliner given that everyone is noting it’s coming up pretty well.
 

MSFS is here to stay, we just need the simulator to have better jetliners. I understand you guys agree with my statement but I just felt the need to Te-emphasize it. 

I can’t disagree with the comment someone made earlier about the pedantic nature of PMDG. I hope Aerosoft is able to replicate the 737.
 

 

The A320 is pretty easy to fly, a lot easier than the 747. Even the  FBW mod version is still pretty easy, just takes longer to get started up from cold.

 

  

46 minutes ago, Huascar said:

I have never flown the airbus A320 so I have a steep learning curve ahead. At some point I will do a deep dive on the FBW A320 airliner given that everyone is noting it’s coming up pretty well.
 

MSFS is here to stay, we just need the simulator to have better jetliners. I understand you guys agree with my statement but I just felt the need to Te-emphasize it. 

I can’t disagree with the comment someone made earlier about the pedantic nature of PMDG. I hope Aerosoft is able to replicate the 737.
 

 

You should check this channel out
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCAILTiWNai7Y2zsO8ECFxcA

Edited December 21, 20205 yr by Tuskin38

54 minutes ago, Huascar said:

I have never flown the airbus A320...

...we need the simulator to have better jetliners.

How would you even know if 'we need better jetliners' in the sim or not, if you've never even had a go at flying some of them, either in their default form or when modded to the point where they are massively improved?

Edited December 21, 20205 yr by Chock