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Flight Physics

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has anyone tried this product is it any good.

https://secure.simmarket.com/brazil-land-games-aircraft-improved-physics.phtml

Alexander Shepherd

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I saw it but I would stay away from someone who claims that they tweak things more "realistic" without providing what exactly is and how.

Life time flight sim enthusiast, current airplane owner 172P (past C182F). FAA CP/IR ASEL/AMEL, FI ASEL

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21 minutes ago, Rob_Ainscough said:

 more fundamental problem that needs to be addressed by Asobo programmers.

Cheers, Rob.

Fundamental problems like?

Life time flight sim enthusiast, current airplane owner 172P (past C182F). FAA CP/IR ASEL/AMEL, FI ASEL

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3 minutes ago, sd_flyer said:

Fundamental problems like?

I would like to know as well. It’s not as bad as all that.

For GA piston types, are things like MP vs. RPM modeled accurately in MSFS like they are in  A2A FSX/P3D or XP11? 

11 minutes ago, sd_flyer said:

Fundamental problems like?

In my opinion, the inertia / momentum and / or the lift coefficient of the airfoils. I often feel like aircraft are flying with the literal characteristics of an RC aircraft. I don't get that feeling with DCS, to compare.

Take-offs are optional, landings are mandatory.
The only time you have too much fuel is when you're on fire.
To make a small fortune in aviation you must start with a large fortune.

There's nothing less important than the runway behind you and the altitude above you.
It's better to be on the ground wishing you were in the air, than in the air wishing you were on the ground.

5 minutes ago, WestAir said:

In my opinion, the inertia / momentum and / or the lift coefficient of the airfoils. I often feel like aircraft are flying with the literal characteristics of an RC aircraft. I don't get that feeling with DCS, to compare.

Really don't want to compare with other sim. DCS has it own skeleton in a closet. But can you compare with how actual aircraft fly. Like last time I flew Bonanza for my IFR proficiency I barely moved an inch of yoke. Would you expect this aircraft behave differently than say 172? In fact It's more sensitive and responsive that 172 even thought it's larger and heavier! Expectation of reality and reality itself often are two different things 

Life time flight sim enthusiast, current airplane owner 172P (past C182F). FAA CP/IR ASEL/AMEL, FI ASEL

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Also I want to mention that in real life I control most aircraft I fly with two fingers. I carefully and trim them for a speed after setting desired power setting. They do fly on "rails" and that the way I like it 🙂 But I see many simmesr believe "rails" is bad and unrealistic thing! LOL

Life time flight sim enthusiast, current airplane owner 172P (past C182F). FAA CP/IR ASEL/AMEL, FI ASEL

My System: AMD Ryzen 9 9950X3D , MSI X870 GAMING PLUS, 64G RAM, ASUS RTX5090, 4T SSD

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9 minutes ago, sd_flyer said:

do fly on "rails" and that the way I like it

Yes when you leave the turbulence boundary layers (around 3000ft at my airfield), but in no way true during approach with flaps out where I live.

I have made hundreds of approaches this year and I can count only a handful when I was flying in butter smooth air when landing.

EASA PPL SEPL + NQ / CB-IR in progress
MSFS24 | X-Plane 12 

 

50 minutes ago, sd_flyer said:

Also I want to mention that in real life I control most aircraft I fly with two fingers. 🙂

I have my ATP but I'll admit whenever I rent I sometimes have a death grip like a 1st time student haha.

As for he sim, I find its VERY easy to encounter PIO. I've never had that in the real world or even other sims. In the 172 I end up using the toe brakes for tight turns. In MSFS I just tap the pedals and I'm turning 10* / sec. 

Maybe its all in my head. Wouldn't be the first time I had no idea I was wrong.

 

Take-offs are optional, landings are mandatory.
The only time you have too much fuel is when you're on fire.
To make a small fortune in aviation you must start with a large fortune.

There's nothing less important than the runway behind you and the altitude above you.
It's better to be on the ground wishing you were in the air, than in the air wishing you were on the ground.

1 hour ago, WestAir said:

In my opinion, the inertia / momentum and / or the lift coefficient of the airfoils. I often feel like aircraft are flying with the literal characteristics of an RC aircraft. I don't get that feeling with DCS, to compare.


I agree. The main problem of MSFS is the inertia / stability. As @Chock once stated, the aircraft in MSFS rotate too much around their CG. It feels like a RC plane.

 

Edited by tweekz

Happy with MSFS 🙂
home simming evolved

41 minutes ago, SAS443 said:

Yes when you leave the turbulence boundary layers (around 3000ft at my airfield), but in no way true during approach with flaps out where I live.

I have made hundreds of approaches this year and I can count only a handful when I was flying in butter smooth air when landing.

Sorry I'm not aware  of any "turbulence boundary layers" or approach with flaps were you leave. Most  GA airplane can land with or without flaps and it's not increase or decrease turbulence. Turbulence or no turbulence I always fly the same IRL except when it too bumpy I drove speed to maneuvering 

Life time flight sim enthusiast, current airplane owner 172P (past C182F). FAA CP/IR ASEL/AMEL, FI ASEL

My System: AMD Ryzen 9 9950X3D , MSI X870 GAMING PLUS, 64G RAM, ASUS RTX5090, 4T SSD

Put my hands on (pic/dual/given)

7GCAA, 8KCAB, BE24, BE76, BE35-C33, BE35, C150, C152, C172B/N/P/R/SP, 182F, M20E,M20C, M20J, AT6(SNJ4), PA28-140,PA28-151, PA28-161,PA28-181,PA28RT-201,PA28R-180/201T, PA24-250, PA32-300R, PA44, AC114, YAK-18T, YAK-52, SR22

 

4 minutes ago, WestAir said:

I have my ATP but I'll admit whenever I rent I sometimes have a death grip like a 1st time student haha.

As for he sim, I find its VERY easy to encounter PIO. I've never had that in the real world or even other sims. In the 172 I end up using the toe brakes for tight turns. In MSFS I just tap the pedals and I'm turning 10* / sec. 

Maybe its all in my head. Wouldn't be the first time I had no idea I was wrong.

 

Sometime I got two type of student (or certified pilots) with one major problem controlling aircraft.. First type has Vulcan death grip on controls, and the second dramatic control syndrome during approach when they overcompensate and  correct in infinite cycle. The first type and second type of student (or pilots) get my clinic of hands free  flying when they only allowed to use rudder, throttle and elevator trim. After an hour or so things usually got better Instead of fighting airplane they learn how to sense and adjust. Approaches become less dramatic, control adjustment small and so on.

I admit I haven't flown big jet to know the difference. But it did check out handful of airline pilots who had the same approach as me - two finger on the yoke. And I can tell right away Pro vs Joe 🙂

Life time flight sim enthusiast, current airplane owner 172P (past C182F). FAA CP/IR ASEL/AMEL, FI ASEL

My System: AMD Ryzen 9 9950X3D , MSI X870 GAMING PLUS, 64G RAM, ASUS RTX5090, 4T SSD

Put my hands on (pic/dual/given)

7GCAA, 8KCAB, BE24, BE76, BE35-C33, BE35, C150, C152, C172B/N/P/R/SP, 182F, M20E,M20C, M20J, AT6(SNJ4), PA28-140,PA28-151, PA28-161,PA28-181,PA28RT-201,PA28R-180/201T, PA24-250, PA32-300R, PA44, AC114, YAK-18T, YAK-52, SR22

 

3 minutes ago, sd_flyer said:

Sorry I'm not aware  of any "turbulence boundary layers" or approach with flaps were you leave. Most  GA airplane can land with or without flaps and it's not increase or decrease turbulence. Turbulence or no turbulence I always fly the same IRL except when it too bumpy I drove speed to maneuvering 

Sorry for being unclear

 Flying on rails is not gonna happen where I fly, unless you stay clear of mechanical turbulence and local thermals and that means > 2000 AGL for me.

Most simmers complaing about flying on rails syndrome during the approach phase, and rightfully so.

EASA PPL SEPL + NQ / CB-IR in progress
MSFS24 | X-Plane 12 

 

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