I'm amazed! I see a lot of FS9 addons and updates on this forum and in the Library. By this time, I expected FS9 to be overtaken by the new simulator, FSX.I deleted FS9 the day FSX came out and haven't looked back. I have been fortunate with my system to be able to fly it quite well, and in a very satisfying manner. However, I do respect those who still use FS9 for all the reasons that they do.I think that FS9 was more quickly adapted to after FS2002 than FSX has been after FS9. Maybe it's just my perception, but it seems that there is really a diehard population that, because of hardware, have not been successful in making the switch to FSX.I sincerely hope that FSX is able to be run by more and more simmers on this forum because when you are able to fly it, you'll find the dynamics, the realism, and the overall experience to be quite impressive.I'm looking forward to the ABUNDANCE of FSX addons when they finally come, and I hope that perhaps a Microsoft patch will make FSX more usable to more people.

> Maybe it's just my perception, but it>seems that there is really a diehard population that, because>of hardware, have not been successful in making the switch to>FSX.>Theres no secret here, how I feel!... :-hah I really like FSX and prefer it most of the time. Yet in some places with some aircraft, FS9 is just going to pull off the situation with higher frame rates. And for that, I'll keep FS9 for the forseeable future.I certainly agree with the overall experience of FSX, and it's hard to put a finger on it exactly. The defaults certainly appear to fly with a better sense of feel, my RealAir SF260 flies extremely well, and in so many cases, "my" scenery areas looks FAR better. I've become accustomed to FSX's high resolution textures, and FS9 seems somewhat primitive, even with all the addons.But to be fair, some scenery areas in FSX got "wiped" out compared to FS9. Happily for me, much of my scenery area actually improved. Win some, loose some! :-lol L.Adamson

Me too, I deleted FS9 the same day. I always hated the world as viewed through FS9, always blurry at a distance. This is NOT a problem with FSX. That's not to say that FSX does not have some big performance issues for machines not boosted by rockets, yet, overall it is great..Best,Randy J. Smith<<>>

Yep. Im still keepinng fs9, I actually just did a flight on itI have FSX installed and i upgraded my system last week fromThis:Amd Athlon 64 3800Asus A8N-E2 Gigs DDR Ram 2-3-2-5 EVGA Geforce 7900GTXto Intel Core 2 Duo E6600Asus P5N-E SLI2 Gigs DDR2 Ram 4-4-4-12EVGA 7900GTX (To be upgraded again next month)Played FSX and was still unhappy. :( I can tell i prolly wont be using FSX unless everyone makes the switch or there is some other miracle software or hardware wise that will make this sim more palatable for me. Kinda hard to come from 30 constant fps on a 21inch widescreen with 8xAF and 8xAA all sliders maxed no matter what to barely over 10fps with sliders not being maxed.Maybe in another couple of months when i upgrade cpu and gfx again ill look at it again. Until then ... ill stick to FS9 .. Heck Posky is still releasing top notch freeware for it So im a happy camper for the most part.Cheers

My "newest" computer, is more along the lines of your previous CPU. Athlon 3800+/2GIG/Geforce 7600 256MB/ 1600*1200*32I also keep my AA settings on the upper side, and have great looking textures for both aircraft & scenery on my 21" CRT monitor. Generally, I run FSX with auto-gen & water effects "off". I actually prefer "off" for auto-gen, as the high res texture city scapes of FSX look great with it off.What I do get is a near constant 25 fps, unless I just have to land at a highly detailed "large" airport. In fact, even a high detailed airport might do okay, much of the time, without AI. However, I wouldn't bother with 10 fps either! The 25 fps that I do get, are smooth and stutter free. If they were not, I'd simply switch to FS9 more often.L.Adamsonedit: I'm just hooked on the look and feel of FSX, even though FS9 is going to run faster with complicated airports, AI, and complicated aircraft. I keep running FS9 for comparisons, but FSX usually wins out in the long run.

I watched a tape of the Wright Brothers first flight the other day. These are the guys that started all this and by the looks of it, even they could only get 12-15 FPS. This was at an uncontrolled airfield, with no AI, very few cars and their auto-gen must have been turned down because their textures were very sandy looking. There were a lot of sea gulls though:-hah .I think that as long as FS9 continues to have the following that it does, you will see developers, both payware and freeware, keep creating add ons for it. It will take some of them some time to perfect their creations for FSX, which is fine by me. I'm a patient guy and I'd rather see them get it right the first time than rush a product to market that doesn't work correctly.John M

L.Adamson,Glad to hear you're having good luck with FSX and it seems a lot of you are enjoying reasonable fps.I have to give the nod to the boys at ACES for what appears to be a cool sim, especially considering they designed it for the next generation of OS (Vista).I had FSX on my system for about a month, but with my old system (2+ years), FSX simply will not run. With everything turned off (autogen, no AI, etc.) I've never been able to get over 8 fps, even with a peak of 8fps it generally runs between 4.5 and 6.5. If I crank the display values even to moderate levels, it simply hammers my system into full lockup.:-violinI checked out the Dell website last month to upgrade my system, back when I first installed FSX, but the cost to up-grade to a new computer was about $4,200+ for their latest system with dual-core technology, which is about $4,000 above my budget at this time.:-lolNo matter though, there were some basic changes with FSX (as compared to FS9) that are not problems with FSX, but were changes I understand ACES felt were necessary and unfortunately these changes will prevent me from ever using FSX. I'm most assurdly want everyone to understand, I am not complaining whatsoever, it just that the way I us FS and such, FSX simply is unuseable for me and at this time, FS9 will probably be the last version of Flight Simulator I will use, at least for the forseeable future.Unfortunately I was getting into a position where I was hoping to return to my weekly "Bear Cave" (I'm going to be retiring from work here pretty soon, so I was going to have the time to get back to that part of my position here at AVSIM I really enjoyed), but considering I highly doubt I will ever re-install FSX, providing weekly mini-reviews of FS9 only addons seems rather pointless.Good flight simming to you all!:-beerchugSteve (Bear) Cartwright

Ive got a great system and I will be sticking with FS9 for quite a while i think. Im not done playing with the wonderful add-ons I held off on waiting for the supposed magic of FSX. Its an improvement for some, but to me its a step back in several areas. Graphically its sweet, but Im about flying and enjoying the feeling of flight. With even some of the "goodies" turned on it cant fulfill that mission here yet. I can cripple it and get great frame rates, but right now, Id rather not. I think FS9 is going to soldier on for quite a while unless MS can figure out a way to fix some of whats broken.Hornit

"FS9 will probably be the last version of Flight Simulator I will use, at least for the forseeable future."Bear due to the fact allot of people will most likely be using FS9 until FS11 comes out please keep those mini reviews coming. If Aces doesn't deliver on the patch/patches many of us will be out the game concerning FSX. There's still a huge place for FS9 add-ons and FS9 related content well into the future. I'm sure if Aces fixes FSX me, you, and everyone else will switch and there won't be a problem. I hate to see people like you, OSS, and many others get out the game of simming because of this botched effort. Developers like FlyTampa and Level-D need to realize FSX is not the future in it's current state. Reviewers like you still have products to look at. Heck I'm working on an A320 series as I type this for FS9. Try to hang in there Bear maybe FSX will turn around. If not we still have FS9... :-)

I have just went Dual Core E6400.FsFx?Stunning!

>>>I'm sure if Aces fixes FSX me, you, and everyone else will switch and there won't be a problem. I hate to see people like you, OSS, and many others get out the game of simming because of this botched effort. Developers like FlyTampa and Level-D need to realize FSX is not the future in it's current state. Reviewers like you still have products to look at. Heck I'm working on an A320 series as I type this for FS9. Try to hang in there Bear maybe FSX will turn around. If not we still have FS9...<<<<Actually Dillion, even if FSX ran sufficiently well enough (performance wise) on my system, I still won't use it because of several changes made with the basic functionally of Flight Simulator X. Each individual change that was made with FSX over FS9, is within themselves almost insignificant to most, but all together I found these changes to be very frustrating and frankly FSX is of no value to me and I will stick with FS9 for now. Considering that these changes were made as an overall direction that apparently ACES is taking Flight Simulator, I can only assume that the changes made will continue on with FS11 and FS12. If that is the case, then FS9 just possibly will be the very last version of Flight Simulator I will ever use.Like I stated above, I am not at all upset about it, even by the least amount, as the changes made were in the end meant to improve Flight Simulator and the changes/improvements that have been made (regardless of the temporary performance issues) were probably designed to attract more new comers into the world of flight simming.The only real idiot thing I did was that I bought the Space Shuttle from CaptainSim last weekend, which was for FSX only, meaning I had to reload FSX before installing that addon. Because of the fact that you're starting at 400,000 foot altitude and having all of the graphic sliders pulled down to minimum, I was able to get almost 12 to 15 fps, so the sim was usuable, but the other factors (lack of a 2D panel, lack of spot control of your views in virtual cockpit mode, and the total inability to control your outside spot view distance, just to name a few problems I ran into) had me so frustrated I made only one single attempted flight with the CS Shuttle before I shut the sim down and immediately removed FSX from my system. I did get a laugh out of the fact that just today, Captain Sim announced the release of their FS9 version of the Shuttle, oh well, I should guessed!:-lolI suppose I will go out and purchase the FS9 verison of the Shuttle from Captain Sim this weekend.The FSX deluxe version I purchased, that I removed from my system the other day, I gave it to a friend yesterday and he has a new system, very capable of running FSX, and he has never used Flight Simulator before, so the functions that the ACES team dropped from FS won't bother him.Steve (Bear) Cartwright

>The FSX deluxe version I purchased, that I removed from my>system the other day, I gave it to a friend yesterday and he>has a new system, very capable of running FSX, and he has>never used Flight Simulator before, so the functions that the>ACES team dropped from FS won't bother him.>>>Steve (Bear) Cartwright Steve if you registered it, he won't be able to. Another Microshaft law!

> Me too, I deleted FS9 the same day. Last night I woke up in pain coz I had a dream where I accidentally deleted my FS9 including the Aeroworx King air and the LDS 767.Shudder.Anyway I still enjoy both simulators.Alex

I am keeping FS9, in fact I hadn't planned on putting on my E6600 and was going to just keep it on my old computer.. But, after using FSX I found myself drifting back to FS9. So I put GW3 on my E6600 and OMG! A couple days later I bought another hard drive and installed a fresh copy of FS9 on it. Using FS9 with my E6600 is pure heaven! FSX does have its pluses, RIO is beautiful! But aside from tweaking it until I had a headache I just don't see myself making the move away from FS9..I was really let down on the performance issues with my computer, FSX was the sole reason I bought it and come to find out it will run it but not where I want it to..

I can't be without my Level D 767 or my PMDG 747! I did a flight in the default 737 in FSX, doesn't even come close!In fact as I got halfway through my flight FSX CTD'd! I was so PO'D.