3 minutes ago, Bobsk8 said:

The tips on the MSFS site to fix problems has included everything you mentioned, plus reinstalling windows, reinstalling MSFS, yada, yada. People have tried each one of those things, and guess what, there are many still having issues. Next we will be told to replace all our cables, get a different ISP and buy a new home. 

It's nuts! Some have done full re-installs only to find out that it was an issue with the server or something related to MSFS.

After the last update many people re-installed their community add-ons because they thought that they were gone.

It's actually sad.

5 minutes ago, DJJose said:

Unfortunately, until XPRealistic is released for MSFS all the airplanes in MSFS will seem to me "lifeless."

The product is said to be in development for MSFS.

http://www.xprealistic.com/

Thanks for the heads up.  I just read someone's comment that they loved how camera orientation turns as the plain turns just like when the pilot turns their head to look where they are headed.  I made this as a suggestion years ago and all replies dissed it.  Always made perfect sense to me and I have been amazed it hadn't been implemented but now finally someone has.

1 minute ago, DJJose said:

It's nuts! Some have done full re-installs only to find out that it was an issue with the server or something related to MSFS.

After the last update many people re-installed their community add-ons because they thought that they were gone.

It's actually sad.

I agree. Been simming for 30 years and working with PCs longer than that, and I have never seen so many reinstalling their OS because they had a problem with one program. 

8 minutes ago, David Roch said:

Words of wisdom.

CTDs are a sad reality for a lot of simmers, including me. It is not by chance that this subject occupies the first place (104,000 views on the MS forum) in terms of bugs and issues. I haven't used MSFS for months without one in two flights ending prematurely. And I've been trying to find the cause for months, so I fully understand and share the OP's frustration and discouragement.

To say that the problem is only due to the hardware and not the software is infinitely stupid. The problem comes from a combination of the two which only appears on some machines. And it is the duty of MS / ASOBO to find the cause and cure.

 

if 104,000 people have looked at the CTD thread (not unique users, but looks at the thread) then as a percentage of sales of the sim that represents (even if unique users) less than 2% of the number of sales of the software...  as multiple users looking and going back again for answers, it probably represents 1% of users if that.   

This doesnt mean that there is not an issue for some, but it also means the software is pretty stable for 99% of users, which is actually better than average in the games industry.

Other games can have upto 10% stability issues with users, and that is still seen as "acceptable" in the gaming world..  which is a real smack in the eye if you are one of the 10% 🙂

Not trying to minimise the problem, but just putting it into context.

Graham

Just now, Moria15 said:

if 104,000 people have looked at the CTD thread (not unique users, but looks at the thread) then as a percentage of sales of the sim that represents (even if unique users) less than 2% of the number of sales of the software...  as multiple users looking and going back again for answers, it probably represents 1% of users if that.   

This doesnt mean that there is not an issue for some, but it also means the software is pretty stable for 99% of users, which is actually better than average in the games industry.

Other games can have upto 10% stability issues with users, and that is still seen as "acceptable" in the gaming world..  which is a real smack in the eye if you are one of the 10% 🙂

Not trying to minimise the problem, but just putting it into context.

Graham

You are making up facts. Just because a certain number of people on a forum read about a problem, proves squat. If you survey every owner of MSFS as to whether or not they have or are having problems, and they reply, then you have an accurate percentage. Anything else is gas lighting. 

11 minutes ago, Noel said:

Thanks for the heads up.  I just read someone's comment that they loved how camera orientation turns as the plain turns just like when the pilot turns their head to look where they are headed.  I made this as a suggestion years ago and all replies dissed it.  Always made perfect sense to me and I have been amazed it hadn't been implemented but now finally someone has.

That feature is a huge reason why I say that the airplanes in MSFS now feel "lifeless." You get this very slight head movement, plus the added sounds, shakes, etc. It's a remarkable plugin.

9 minutes ago, Bobsk8 said:

You are making up facts. Just because a certain number of people on a forum read about a problem, proves squat. If you survey every owner of MSFS as to whether or not they have or are having problems, and they reply, then you have an accurate percentage. Anything else is gas lighting. 

Well then the person who quoted it as the most viewed topic should have gone and got accurate facts first...   you cant start quoting numbers and then complain when those numbers are disputed..  THAT is Gaslighting. 

I have personally fixed 5 peoples system locally that were having issues and I can tell you that not a single one of those was a problem with MSFS.   4 of them were people who honestly believe they know everything about PC's and were running unstable overclocks...  1 was a partial install that was terminated and the new install left config files in two seperate places on the machine with one dodgy registry entry, which was an easy fix.

The 4 people with unstable overclocks were completely convinced that MSFS wouldn't run without overclocking because they knew best how to get an additional 5FPS from the sim (after all, they have been building PC's for years and had lots of experience...  kinda like all the experienced project managers we have around here 🙂  )...  the problem was, they only finished every other flight without a CTD.   Overclocking is inherantly unstable and pushing limits beyond spec..  thats why the specs are there..  if you destabalise your machine, then you cannot complain if the system fails on you and blame the developer.

Graham

Edited April 18, 20215 yr by Moria15

13 minutes ago, Bobsk8 said:

I agree. Been simming for 30 years and working with PCs longer than that, and I have never seen so many reinstalling their OS because they had a problem with one program. 

It's what some did in the old days.  Old habits die hard.

Regards

bs

 

13 minutes ago, Bobsk8 said:

I agree. Been simming for 30 years and working with PCs longer than that, and I have never seen so many reinstalling their OS because they had a problem with one program. 

I picked up on the ESC bug immediately, and pointed it out to the community. I was checking the options and after returning to the flight, I noticed that my mixture and prop were pulled back. Users began seeing their airplanes falling out of the skies without an idea of what was going on. Again, SAD!

Did someone just post that the software is stable for 99% of all users? 😂

Cheers, Pete

Just now, Moria15 said:

Well then the person who quoted it as the most viewed topic should have gone and got accurate facts first...   you cant start quoting numbers and then complain when those numbers are disputed..  THAT is Gaslighting. 

I have personally fixed 5 peoples system locally that were having issues and I can tell you that not a single one of those was a problem with MSFS.   4 of them were people who honestly believe they know everything about PC's and were running unstable overclocks...  1 was a partial install that was terminated and the new install left config files in two seperate places on the machine with one dodgy registry entry, which was an wasy fix.

The 4 people with unstable overclocks were completely convinced that MSFS wouldn't run without overclocking because they knew best how to get an additional 5FPS from the sim (after all, they have been building PC's for years and had lots of experience...  kinda like all the experienced project managers we have around here 🙂  )...  the problem was, they only finished every other flight without a CTD.   Overclocking is inherantly unstable and pushing limits beyond spec..  thats why the specs are there..  if you destabalise your machine, then you cannot complain if the system fails on you and blame the developer.

Graham

If you read some of the posts by people that are having issues, the first thing many of them do is remove add ons and overclocking. Doesn't seem to help them. 

4 hours ago, bobcat999 said:

I share your frustration.  It can be a long load time for it to end in a CTD and you never know if you are going to get a flight out of it.

I would just give it a rest for a month or two.

Personally I don't think we are going to be in a good place with stability/performance until about a year after the DX12 update.  I am prepared to wait that long - about June 2022. 

There is not much else coming along to replace it, and I can't go back to P3D or Xplane, for me they were just as bad in some ways. I might give DCS 2.7 a go for military, but that isn't brilliant either.  Nice clouds now and fairly high fidelity flight models, but you only have to look at the ground scenery to see that it needs improving also.  It all starts with stability though!  If you cant get a flight out of it - no good!

Same here...once again, I am glad we are talking about this.  Even though I wish we were sharing great experiences instead of this!!  Yes, I can turn it on and have a fine experience....BUT..

This is exactly what I had decided...take break, do something else until the Xbox/DX12 release...maybe it is a main project goal that has to be done before anything else can be addressed---theory 😐

Funny, I downloaded DCS 2.7 yesterday and yes, it isn't brilliant...seems like fun.  Yes, I still want that MSFS gets back on track.

For the record, my pc is an Alienware R11, clean, except for DCS, which I need to reinstall, but intentionally, it is strictly for MSFS(no overclocking etc).  I have experienced very few CTDs and I found that the ones I got were due to older items in the community folder.

Still, that said, I don't want to go backwards...having a harder time keeping away, but it seems the sim is stuck and has not been able to progress.  We still have the same issues we had at jump, those items are still on the buglist, said to be fixed at such and such release and now, set to be fixed at this such and such release....something is wrong here....If I did that on my job, confidence questions will be in order...

But just yesterday, was getting strange messages like "You have no Internet Connection"...I tested while the app was up and had 900+ mb/s down and up!!...fiber:-)  I had no servers yesterday in my list, yet still logged in... no weather, no imagery...along with the other items.  Restarted maybe 4 times...still.  New Issue for me:  On the ground, at my base airport(and I few others I found in USA seemingly), since the latest update, Significant change downward in fps.  It was fluid..When I get off the ground at my airport, fluid again???  No addons affecting the area.

I went to Schiphol, Paris fluid???  Lisbon, fluid???.....Somethings up.

Anyway all...I want to be a fan, I want to defend.  But the recent events, in total(the good and the bad), has left me ??????.  Remember, even in the last q/a, there was an acknowledgement concerning confidence in this studio...

I don't know...will hobble along and go fishing and keep hoping🙂....yep, Rant Over 🙂  

Cheers,

RB

Just now, PilotPete99 said:

Did someone just post that the software is stable for 99% of all users? 😂

Cheers, Pete

Yeah, he has "facts" to back that up.   LOL

5 minutes ago, KJANRBeard said:

 

Anyway all...I want to be a fan, I want to defend.  But the recent events, in total(the good and the bad), has left me ??????.  Remember, even in the last q/a, there was an acknowledgement concerning confidence in this studio...

I don't know...will hobble along and go fishing and keep hoping🙂....yep, Rant Over 🙂  

Cheers,

RB

I think Asobo is quickly finding out that a flight sim is a little more demanding  than "Sitting Ducks" , or "Zoo Tycoon". 

Edited April 18, 20215 yr by Bobsk8

The problem I have with these threads is I don't know if people have a ligit problem or are just blowing smoke to dis the sim or whatever  (hard to trust forums I guess)

For myself MSFS  is a great sim - no problems, great immersion etcetera.

Please don't  be offended by my fortunes with the sim.

Cheers

bs