Never thought I´d say this...

[blueshark747 1,843]

1 hour ago, Pastaiolo said:

There is a difference between asking the community about something with the goal of solving the issue, and just making a topic about someone's leaving because of X. The first type of topic is helpful and engages the community in a discussion, the second doesn't.

I honestly get where you are coming from.

The overly dramatic attention hungry way of making a thread expressing" ohh goodbye cruel world..I'm done with this sim" titles can be pretty cringey.

Luckily there are some users who actually have the understanding, compassion and empathy to see this as a desperate cry for technical help.

I do get your point though....its overly dramatic and simply asking for help is a better way to go about things dealing with adults.

Edited April 18, 2021 by blueshark747

[PilotPete99 915]

For what it’s worth, I never stated that the vast majority of users are having problems. What I said, was that the developer has a responsibility to ensure that the vast majority of users are able to run the sim without issues. These are not the same thing.

Cheers, Pete

[Nyxx 6,993]

Just now, PilotPete99 said:

That’s rather funny, I didn’t put a “silly” percentage on anything. I used those percentages as example. I don’t recall starting a fight with you, but as I stated earlier, you seem to be offended. You are as clueless as I am as to how many users are experiencing issues, so please don’t assert that you know more than you do. 
 

Cheers, Pete

Am not starting anything with you its you stating its like its a fact that "the vast majority of users" and how many time have you ask for % or asked for them, lol. I dont know more than you or make out that I do. But I dont come out claiming the "the vast majority of users" are having problems, you did that and as you said its just your  "assumption" and thats all it is your "assumption" with nothing to back that up. 

 

 

 

[PilotPete99 915]

4 minutes ago, Nyxx said:

Am not starting anything with you its you stating its like its a fact that "the vast majority of users" and how many time have you ask for % or asked for them, lol. I dont know more than you or make out that I do. But I dont come out claiming the "the vast majority of users" are having problems, you did that and as you said its just your  "assumption" and thats all it is your "assumption" with nothing to back that up. 

 

 

 

Okay, let’s just agree to disagree. I have a background in economics and accounting, and I am obsessed with statistics. Just like political polling, you take a small sample size and distribute to a larger population. I don’t even have CTD’s at all. I do have stutters, however. Again, I am not testifying under oath as a participant of this forum. You can read and absorb just as I can, and clearly there are far more users having issues than just a small minority. Let’s just leave it at that.

Cheers, Pete

[Chock 17,769]

47 minutes ago, PilotPete99 said:

It is not at all helpful to respond to other folk’s issues by mentioning how great your sim is running, or how we should try tinkering with our settings. The sim should perform appropriately with little intervention from the users.

Yes, but this is the point many people are making. Intervention from users includes throwing add-ons at it, then having done so, wondering why the sim has issues then claim it's broken and slag off Asobo when the issue is nothing to do with Asobo.

Asobo have screwed up some stuff for sure, but the fact that the sim can and does run without problems for many people, strongly indicates that it is a user issue when someone is having problems.

[Noel 4,502]

1 minute ago, Chock said:

Asobo have screwed up some stuff for sure, but the fact that the sim can and does run without problems for many people, strongly indicates that it is a user issue when someone is having problems.

It's run quite well overall but I still get some odd FPS drops--odd in that I have ample headroom in the main thread as well as GPU.  CTD almost never--maybe 2 or 3 since product release.  One giant issue is indeed the hardware, and overclocked hardware in particular, with regard to CTD.

[PilotPete99 915]

1 minute ago, Chock said:

Yes, but this is the point many people are making. Intervention from users includes throwing add-ons at it, then having done so, wondering why the sim has issues then claim it's broken and slag off Asobo when the issue is nothing to do with Asobo.

Asobo have screwed up some stuff for sure, but the fact that the sim can and does run without problems for many people, strongly indicates that it is a user issue when someone is having problems.

I don’t disagree with that, but if the sim can’t do well with addons, it may be representative of a larger issue. As nice as MSFS looks out of the box, many users will never be satisfied without their favorite addons.

Cheers, Pete

[Bobsk8 12,733]

9 minutes ago, Chock said:

Yes, but this is the point many people are making. Intervention from users includes throwing add-ons at it, then having done so, wondering why the sim has issues then claim it's broken and slag off Asobo when the issue is nothing to do with Asobo.

Asobo have screwed up some stuff for sure, but the fact that the sim can and does run without problems for many people, strongly indicates that it is a user issue when someone is having problems.

There are many people that have removed all add ons and are still having issues. How do you explain that?

[Will Fly For Cheese 1,710]

1 minute ago, Bobsk8 said:

There are many people that have removed all add ons and are still having issues. How do you explain that?

After you've thrown a spanner in to the works it's usually a waste of time removing it as the damage is already done.

[David Roch 1,982]

59 minutes ago, Nyxx said:

As for people having CTD, I really do feel sorry for you. Also think posting " I never have them" and no surgestions on how to fix is totaly unhelpfull to say the least.

Words of wisdom.

CTDs are a sad reality for a lot of simmers, including me. It is not by chance that this subject occupies the first place (104,000 views on the MS forum) in terms of bugs and issues. I haven't used MSFS for months without one in two flights ending prematurely. And I've been trying to find the cause for months, so I fully understand and share the OP's frustration and discouragement.

To say that the problem is only due to the hardware and not the software is infinitely stupid. The problem comes from a combination of the two which only appears on some machines. And it is the duty of MS / ASOBO to find the cause and cure.

 

Edited April 18, 2021 by David Roch

[Moria15 950]

2 minutes ago, Bobsk8 said:

There are many people that have removed all add ons and are still having issues. How do you explain that?

overclocking, remnants left behind after removing things, cache errors, config errors where things have been changed by the User, things that have been done to make their PC runner so much better, adding issues like project lassoo, running additional programs at the same time that interfere such as PC monitors etc, not enough RAM, trying to run it at above the specs for the machine, partial install followed by a re-install without clearing the partial or the locations,  registry errors...       what else would you like suggested?

 

Graham

[PilotPete99 915]

22 minutes ago, Nyxx said:

Am not starting anything with you its you stating its like its a fact that "the vast majority of users" and how many time have you ask for % or asked for them, lol. I dont know more than you or make out that I do. But I dont come out claiming the "the vast majority of users" are having problems, you did that and as you said its just your  "assumption" and thats all it is your "assumption" with nothing to back that up. 

 

 

 

Please stop misquoting me. I never said the vast majority of users are having issues. If that is how you read it, then perhaps I did not make myself clear. Let’s make sure we are on the same page here. I already posted about this.

Cheers, Pete

[CFIJose 5,485]

57 minutes ago, Nyxx said:

So ture,

 "The airplane felt lifeless" this court my eye from someone that never stoped flying the M20.

David,

There's a reason for my madness. Allow me to explain. You see my MSFS was broken by the developer when an updated caused massive stutters. So, I decided to go back to X-Plane 11 in order for me to do some simming in TE FL. I'm so glad that I did because, I had forgotten what an amazing simulation X-Plane is with the right add-ons.

Unfortunately, until XPRealistic is released for MSFS all the airplanes in MSFS will seem to me "lifeless."

The product is said to be in development for MSFS.

http://www.xprealistic.com/

[Bobsk8 12,733]

Just now, Moria15 said:

overclocking, remnants left behind after removing things, cache errors, config errors where things have been changed by the User, things that have been done to make their PC runner so much better, adding issues like project lassoo, running additional programs at the same time that interfere such as PC monitors etc, not enough RAM, trying to run it at above the specs for the machine, partial install followed by a re-install without clearing the partial or the locations,  registry errors...       what else would you like suggested?

 

Graham

The tips on the MSFS site to fix problems has included everything you mentioned, plus reinstalling windows, reinstalling MSFS, yada, yada. People have tried each one of those things, and guess what, there are many still having issues. Next we will be told to replace all our cables, get a different ISP and buy a new home. 

[Chock 17,769]

14 minutes ago, Bobsk8 said:

There are many people that have removed all add ons and are still having issues. How do you explain that?

Well, for a kick off, it's not really up to me to explain it. However...

Removed or not, the fact that some people don't have stability issues indicates that whether one does or does not, must therefore be a user-based criteria. Either settings, hardware and or software/OS clash issues; something is to blame. I have no idea what is the specific reason, but clearly this is the case.

I can tell you right now that I could crank up MSFS, pick any aeroplane in it, fly to any place in it and guarantee it wouldn't CTD, because it never does. This doesn't help anyone get to the bottom of their own mystery, but what it does do, is tell them that slagging off Asobo and saying they are to blame for having made software which has no stability, is not the right avenue of investigation if it can demonstrably run okay on some PCs.

What I do know is that I don't push the thing too hard in terms of options by running it at 1920x1080 rather than a higher resolution, but beyond that I do whatever the hell I like with it it and it just works.

Asobo have cocked some things up for sure, and I'll slam them when they deserve it (and boy do they deserve it on occasion), but a blanket statement saying the thing is unstable is not my experience at all; quite the reverse in fact.

Edited April 18, 2021 by Chock