1 minute ago, Gazzareth said:

Feel sorry for those that are struggling though.

100%. I had more than my share of struggle with FSX/P3D and know how little fun that is.

James

9 minutes ago, jarmstro said:

That's not what I said David. A lot of these issues are down to the PSU. The voltage regulation is crucial and the cheap ones are especially bad with regard to the 5v rail with capacitors vomiting their contents all over the place together with wildly fluctuating voltages. But the PC will still boot.

You are right and I apologize for my ironic answer, but believe me, this is not the case, I am using all available tools to monitor my hardware.
Since I retired, computer sciences is my main hobby, I love that.

I'm sure there is a common denominator to the problems with CTDs, most likely an incompatibility between some particular piece of hardware / software, and MSFS, and I sincerely hope that Asobo will find that out and sort it out one day, once and for all.

But honestly, I can't stand to read that the problem comes from the users' side after having tried everything to fix it.

46 minutes ago, David Roch said:

Yes, too funny!

 

Seriously Graham, no one knows exactly how many people are actually using MSFS and any statistics are pure speculation. 

 

I guess the Million Sales includes everyone who has a $ 10 game pass and downloaded the game, launched it once, and forgot about it.

 

What I do notice is that the CTD problem affects a lot of people among the "old" experienced simmers and that it persists, update after update, despite all the advice, bogus or real that the developers provide and despite the skills, bogus or real, users have in computer matters.

Three people where I work, gamers, downloaded MSFS with game pass, tried once or twice and that was that. My guess is that is a large percentage of the so called Million using it. 

 

53 minutes ago, David Roch said:

What I do notice is that the CTD problem affects a lot of people among the "old" experienced simmers and that it persists, update after update, despite all the advice, bogus or real that the developers provide and despite the skills, bogus or real, users have in computer matters

You know what they say, you can't teach an old dog new tricks lol, case in point, the last world update @Bobsk8was having problems with updating. We told him to update from the store first and then start the sim and finish updating then go into the market and update. He had the same problem with world update 4 smh 

5 minutes ago, David Roch said:

You are right and I apologize for my ironic answer, but believe me, this is not the case, I am using all available tools to monitor my hardware.
Since I retired, computer sciences is my main hobby, I love that.

I'm sure there is a common denominator to the problems with CTDs, most likely an incompatibility between some particular piece of hardware / software, and MSFS, and I sincerely hope that Asobo will find that out and sort it out one day, once and for all.

But honestly, I can't stand to read that the problem comes from the users' side after having tried everything to fix it.

I'm jealous! Two years to go before I retire.😀

All I can say, which you won't like, is that the sim is stable for me and for the vast majority of users.  Therefore the problem must be at your end rather than at Asobo's? Honestly. I'm not saying there aren't bugs but stability is not an issue in the sim itself imo.

Interesting to consider how history has a habit of repeating itself   ... can't help casting my mind back to the days probably beginning around 2007, following MS decision to dump development of FSX,

when Avsim opened a forum dedicated to CTD issues in that sim....ask myself often: how many people spent what proportion of their lives chasing down the glitches, bugs FSX sent to try us?? .... the way things are going with MSFS

maybe Avsim could helpout those of us getting nothing but a negative return for their time, money and trouble, by doing likewise now .....

Edited April 18, 20215 yr by AKStirling

1 hour ago, jarmstro said:

This sim taxes your hardware like nothing else. If you have CTDs with a vanilla instal and a clean Windows install it's likely your hardware isn't up to the job. Cheap PSUs, blown caps and cheap ram are  likely candidates.

Victim blaming BS.

There have been multiple CTD issues acknowledged by the developers (the VFR map bug, the SimConnect bug, the time they broke all 3rd party airports sold on the official MSFS Marketplace, the bug that was introduced with Marketplace aircraft for 8 weeks in the fall, among many others).

Users have found geographic locations that cause a CTD every time they fly there.

There are likely many more that haven't been acknowledged or fixed which is why CTD are so high on the bugs & issues list and continue to accumulate more votes.

Edited April 18, 20215 yr by marsman2020

3 hours ago, sanh said:

This is because the threads make it sound like its all Asobo's fault and the sim is bad, has serious problems and Asobo can't be bothered to fix it.

That is exactly the case.  The sim has serious problems that have not been addressed in 6+ months.  In fact, they regularly introduce new serious problems with each patch.

The most serious issue with respect to CTDs is that there is no exception handling or logging to allow useful errors to be displayed instead of the entire sim just closing with no error. 

Edited April 18, 20215 yr by marsman2020

20 minutes ago, jarmstro said:

I'm jealous! Two years to go before I retire.😀

All I can say, which you won't like, is that the sim is stable for me and for the vast majority of users.  Therefore the problem must be at your end rather than at Asobo's? Honestly. I'm not saying there aren't bugs but stability is not an issue in the sim itself imo.

What BS...

1 minute ago, Bobsk8 said:

What BS...

Apparently he doesn’t need facts to make his assertion.

Cheers, Pete 

1 hour ago, jarmstro said:

I'm jealous! Two years to go before I retire.😀

All I can say, which you won't like, is that the sim is stable for me and for the vast majority of users.  Therefore the problem must be at your end rather than at Asobo's? Honestly. I'm not saying there aren't bugs but stability is not an issue in the sim itself imo.

You'll luv it I think especially that now you have MSFS to keep you busy.

Cheers

bs

I just hope people with these problems eventually get them worked out. And I have also seen post like this that the community actually helped them in some way to get it working. At some point maybe he and others will get this problem fixed. Of course with ton's of different computers configurations, and also that this sim depends on the internet, who knows what causes problems for some and not for others. I want everyone that WANTS to fly this sim, get it working for them!

Good luck everyone!

2 hours ago, jarmstro said:

All I can say, which you won't like, is that the sim is stable for me and for the vast majority of users. 

This is the gist of the problem in these forums IMO.  If we don't at least believe this then why are we here?  I wouldn't be using MSFS if I didn't.

Cheers

bs

 

2 hours ago, PilotPete99 said:

Apparently he doesn’t need facts to make his assertion.

Cheers, Pete 

The good thing about talking trash is you usually know it when you see it.  lol

G'day

bs

Edited April 18, 20215 yr by bean_sprout

11 hours ago, marsman2020 said:

Users have found geographic locations that cause a CTD every time they fly there.

That may well be the case. I can only speak of my own experience. Europe seems completely trouble free. Whenever I have had a CTD over the last few months it has been caused by a freeware airport. The World Updates break many of them. Now, whenever I add scenery, I clear my cache and immediately test it and report any issue to the author.