2 minutes ago, Bobsk8 said:

Yeah, he has "facts" to back that up.   LOL

based on the same "facts" that someone was using to say how so many users were having issues.

The reality is, that in general, most users who aren't having problems will be out there happy and flying.  Some people (the same people regularly in many cases) will be having some issues.

That implies that  for a select few, yes there are issues, but if the majority are out there having fun flying in that same software.. it suggests that there are issues other than the software in some of these cases.

2 minutes ago, Moria15 said:

based on the same "facts" that someone was using to say how so many users were having issues.

The reality is, that in general, most users who aren't having problems will be out there happy and flying.  Some people (the same people regularly in many cases) will be having some issues.

That implies that  for a select few, yes there are issues, but if the majority are out there having fun flying in that same software.. it suggests that there are issues other than the software in some of these cases.

How to you explain that on Adobos list of things to fix in this sim, CTD's by users is number 3 on that list  and they are working on it. 

1 minute ago, Bobsk8 said:

How to you explain that on Adobos list of things to fix in this sim, CTD's by users is number 3 on that list  and they are working on it. 

Just means all the other issues are lower priority.. it says nothing about how many people are suffering from it.. just that they are suffering other issues less.

10 minutes ago, Bobsk8 said:

Yeah, he has "facts" to back that up.   LOL

Seems stable enough to me? Apart from the odd dodgy freeware airport. Do you have any facts that it isn't? Over clockers and cheapo components exempted 

6 hours ago, Aristoteles said:

...but after 6 CTDs in a row, with no Community mods, no Online Traffic, Multiplayer off, no live Weather,...basically I am done. There is that feeling that everytime my flight may well end in a crash to desktop, is unacceptable. How can this be even be a thing after 9 months of release. Ok, rant over. Enjoy your sim guys. 

Why are you saying this?  NOBODY CARES believe it or not.

bs

ANYONE! I mean ANYONE, that is not seeing the issues I've discussed in this thread is lying. Yeah, I said it!

2 minutes ago, Bobsk8 said:

Yeah, he has "facts" to back that up.   LOL

Yes, too funny!

 

20 minutes ago, Moria15 said:

if 104,000 people have looked at the CTD thread (not unique users, but looks at the thread) then as a percentage of sales of the sim that represents (even if unique users) less than 2% of the number of sales of the software...  as multiple users looking and going back again for answers, it probably represents 1% of users if that.   

This doesnt mean that there is not an issue for some, but it also means the software is pretty stable for 99% of users, which is actually better than average in the games industry.

Other games can have upto 10% stability issues with users, and that is still seen as "acceptable" in the gaming world..  which is a real smack in the eye if you are one of the 10% 🙂

Not trying to minimise the problem, but just putting it into context.

Graham

Seriously Graham, no one knows exactly how many people are actually using MSFS and any statistics are pure speculation. 

 

I guess the Million Sales includes everyone who has a $ 10 game pass and downloaded the game, launched it once, and forgot about it.

 

What I do notice is that the CTD problem affects a lot of people among the "old" experienced simmers and that it persists, update after update, despite all the advice, bogus or real that the developers provide and despite the skills, bogus or real, users have in computer matters.

2 minutes ago, David Roch said:

Yes, too funny!

 

Seriously Graham, no one knows exactly how many people are actually using MSFS and any statistics are pure speculation. 

 

I guess the Million Sales includes everyone who has a $ 10 game pass and downloaded the game, launched it once, and forgot about it.

 

What I do notice is that the CTD problem affects a lot of people among the "old" experienced simmers and that it persists, update after update, despite all the advice, bogus or real that the developers provide and despite the skills, bogus or real, users have in computer matters.

This is a good point, and I doubt many on this forum plan on using MSFS in its vanilla state. I would imagine (no facts alert here!) that there are far more “hardcore” simmers that are having various issues. 
 

Cheers, Pete 

2 minutes ago, David Roch said:

Yes, too funny!

 

Seriously Graham, no one knows exactly how many people are actually using MSFS and any statistics are pure speculation. 

 

I guess the Million Sales includes everyone who has a $ 10 game pass and downloaded the game, launched it once, and forgot about it.

 

What I do notice is that the CTD problem affects a lot of people among the "old" experienced simmers and that it persists, update after update, despite all the advice, bogus or real that the developers provide and despite the skills, bogus or real, users have in computer matters.

This sim taxes your hardware like nothing else. If you have CTDs with a vanilla instal and a clean Windows install it's likely your hardware isn't up to the job. Cheap PSUs, blown caps and cheap ram are  likely candidates.

8 minutes ago, DJJose said:

ANYONE! I mean ANYONE, that is not seeing the issues I've discussed in this thread is lying. Yeah, I said it!

Just for clarification: kidding us or meaning it? 😇

You know what the real gaslighting is here? All these people who have been simming for decades who act like some percentage of users getting CTDs on a regular basis in a given sim is some unheard-of novelty/atrocity.

If I was asked to describe the quintessential experience of being a flightsimmer over the past 20 years, “the agony and ecstasy of chasing down CTDs” would be near the top of the list.

(For the record, I’m in the “MSFS is extraordinarily stable” camp. Virtually no CTDs with stock, and what CTDs I’ve had were attributable to individual addons.)

James

4 minutes ago, jarmstro said:

This sim taxes your hardware like nothing else. If you have CTDs with a vanilla instal and a clean Windows install it's likely your hardware isn't up to the job. Cheap PSUs, blown caps and cheap ram are  likely candidates.

Yes, I probably have a weak and cheap computer, that's it.
🙃

6 minutes ago, David Roch said:

Yes, I probably have a weak and cheap computer, that's it.
🙃

That's not what I said David. A lot of these issues are down to the PSU. The voltage regulation is crucial and the cheap ones are especially bad with regard to the 5v rail with capacitors vomiting their contents all over the place together with wildly fluctuating voltages. But the PC will still boot.

Edited April 18, 20215 yr by jarmstro

7 minutes ago, honanhal said:

(For the record, I’m in the “MSFS is extraordinarily stable” camp. Virtually no CTDs with stock, and what CTDs I’ve had were attributable to individual addons.)

James

Me2, except no addons save 4 from the marketplace.  Reading all of the droves of posts about this mod or that mod I just shake my head.  This is a massive work in progress and even putting Steam between me and MS/Asobo was asking for trouble!  I'm only half joking on that last one but seriously keep this is simple and stable as possible by curtailing the constant modification some are predisposed to.

14 minutes ago, honanhal said:

If I was asked to describe the quintessential experience of being a flightsimmer over the past 20 years, “the agony and ecstasy of chasing down CTDs” would be near the top of the list.

Very true, although I was always a "Why the ... won't P3D / FSX start?" kinda guy...

 

I've always been lucky with FS, ran with only a couple of CTDs on the potato, then even less on my new rig.

 

Feel sorry for those that are struggling though.

 

G

Edited April 18, 20215 yr by Gazzareth