1 minute ago, w6kd said:

I would point out that the DC-6 was also PMDG's first (and last) foray into X-Plane...they abandoned it after XP10 and after discovering the tremendous aggravation of trying to keep it running after each new version of X-Plane (including the minor ones) broke it.

We should all breathe a big sigh of relief that MSFS doesn't have a similar short update cycle that breaks things...

Those who cannot remember the past are doomed to repeat it.  - George Santayana

On the other hand, they will not be taken by surprise this time.  They know how it was like with XP and have already gone through the Asobo frantic (and somewhat erratic) update cycle for the development of the 6 and their jetliners.

Another thing,  to the eternal chagrin of XP simmers, MFS and XP potential markets are not exactly of the same magnitude. I suppose that Randazzo considers that it is worth a few headaches along the road.

31 minutes ago, WestAir said:

To be fair, and I say this as non-eletist as possible, most average simmers are not PMDG's target audience. PMDG knows they can make more money by spending 1/100th the development time to build a $20 airliner. They intentionally cut their profits to reach a very niche market.

Sales and profits are two different things. All the top-tier products that I know, in any domain, have fat margins (profit).  PMDG may have less sales per aircraft than Carenado but certainly more profit.  

12 minutes ago, Nyxx said:

Very sarcastic Bob.

Not a fan of MSFS Bob, I read you really dont like that you can not make your own weather, well thats true but if you used live weather you can have you visability down to amazing levels but hey enjoy what ever sim you enjoy the most. I just dont understand you need to pop in to be so sarcastic. 

I think the relasionship with MS/Asobo is a far greater than the one XPlane. Also if PMDG though that MSFS was going to be an ongoing problem after Xplane do you think they would be here? and singing there prasers like Rob did in the vid. What to say in 6 weeks time, O they updated the sim and something broke we are out of MSFS!.....

Sorry, sport, but it's reasonable--prudent, in fact--to consider the past when contemplating the future.

I think that even an experienced outfit like PMDG is going to find itself riding the whirlwind w/r/t to dealing with the platform instability that wave after wave of buggy updates keeps bringing.  I just can't imagine (and doubt they can either) the hue and cry we'd see if PMDG's birds go out of service every couple of weeks due to a continuing onslaught of poorly-tested updates coming out of Asobo.  Maybe (let us all hope) PMDG is up to the task *and* has enough stamina over the long run that they won't cut and run like they did with the DC-6 in XPlane.  I make no assertion they can/cannot or will/will not.  I like the company, but have a realistic view of their chances, all optimism, hopes and prayers aside.  But given the history thus far with the platform, I need more than hope before I start rejoicing.

 

"Sorry, sport.."Really Bob.

Have a good day.

7 minutes ago, Dominique_K said:

Sales and profits are two different things. All the top-tier products that I know, in any domain, have fat margins (profit).  PMDG may have less sales per aircraft than Carenado but certainly more profit.  

Price point is an age old problem. Stack them high, sell them cheap. Charge a high price profit margin is huge but you will never sell the same amount. Its all down to "gross profit" and the bottom line "net profit"

Like you say two very diffrent things.

30 minutes ago, highflyer2020 said:

 

I hope so, PMDG is obviously trying to modernize their company at the same time with the launch of a YT channel and possibility of streaming I hope they make their products available through the market place (as well as other stores for people who don't like it).

I for one don't want to purchase it through their website and then by forced to display my full name/passport number on their forums when I want support!

That's me too!  I really like simplicity, not having a multitude of installers and licensing schemes.  I'd much rather be flying ✈️

14 minutes ago, w6kd said:

Sorry, sport, but it's reasonable--prudent, in fact--to consider the past when contemplating the future.

I think that even an experienced outfit like PMDG is going to find itself riding the whirlwind w/r/t to dealing with the platform instability that wave after wave of buggy updates keeps bringing.  I just can't imagine (and doubt they can either) the hue and cry we'd see if PMDG's birds go out of service every couple of weeks due to a continuing onslaught of poorly-tested updates coming out of Asobo.  Maybe (let us all hope) PMDG is up to the task *and* has enough stamina over the long run that they won't cut and run like they did with the DC-6 in XPlane.  I make no assertion they can/cannot or will/will not.  I like the company, but have a realistic view of their chances, all optimism, hopes and prayers aside.  But given the history thus far with the platform, I need more than hope before I start rejoicing.

I understand what your point is here but seriously--have ANY planes, default or otherwise, "gone out of service", post-updates to MSFS?  I don't have any addon airplanes yet but the ones I fly all the time aren't very subject to this sort of thing.  All I've really noticed is slow but steady improvements in avionics and so forth in for example the Citation L and TBM.  I know other aspects of MSFS have stumbled post-update, but not such much planes, not that they inherently necessarily immune.

19 minutes ago, w6kd said:

Maybe (let us all hope) PMDG is up to the task *and* has enough stamina over the long run that they won't cut and run like they did with the DC-6 in XPlane.  

 

If they cut and run, they need something to run to.  As several 3rd party devs have mentioned, sales for P3D have dropped off a cliff so PMDG can't run to P3D.  The alternative is to run to X-Plane but why run to X-Plane when X-Plane is a decade behind MSFS in technology, especially in the department of graphics and streaming satellite/photogrammetry for the entire world at no additional cost.

The only other option for PMDG is to leave the consumer flight sim market, maybe go for the commercial flight sim market, or enter some other market.  But if PMDG wants to stay afloat as a business in the consumer flight sim market, MSFS is the future right now and it's their only choice (unless as I said before, P3D or X-Plane have "revolutionary improvement" in their next version release, bringing them on par with MSFS).

Edited May 22, 20215 yr by abrams_tank

7 minutes ago, Dominique_K said:

On the other hand, they will not be taken by surprise this time.  They know how it was like with XP and have already gone through the Asobo frantic (and somewhat erratic) update cycle for the development of the 6 and their jetliners.

No, on a platform that forces updates on the user base, we are all being taken by surprise--time after time.  That is a fundamental difference between this platform and the others before it--you always had the option with FSxxxx, P3D, and XP to keep the version you had or even to revert to a previous version if necessary to preserve stability when a bugged platform update wreaked havoc.  PMDG is signing up for something much more insidious this time--having to deal with a steady stream of oft-unstable updates coming in real-time, and probably having to repeatedly issue mea culpas when their add-ons stop working due to the latest Asobo update bomb, the likes of which we've all seen plenty of so far.

If anyone *can* make it work, PMDG would certainly be my #1 candidate...they're a talented and experienced bunch.  I'm just not yet convinced that anyone actually can.

46 minutes ago, devgrp said:

Hopefully majestic will make an announcement about their q400 soon. My favorite plane of all time 

Agreed totally awesome simulation

I guess no looks at the 737 yet?  That and the 777 are all I am interested in.

1 minute ago, Noel said:

I guess no looks at the 737 yet?  That and the 777 are all I am interested in.

They showed it a long time ago but the VC is not working OFC.

5 minutes ago, w6kd said:

No, on a platform that forces updates on the user base, we are all being taken by surprise- 

I meant that PMDG knows what to expect, not on a case (update) per case basis of course, but in a general way. Asobo' s development process is a now notorious ambulating mess. I would think that a smart Randazzo has integrated that in his business plan including in the price. 

13 minutes ago, w6kd said:

No, on a platform that forces updates on the user base, we are all being taken by surprise--time after time.  That is a fundamental difference between this platform and the others before it--you always had the option with FSxxxx, P3D, and XP to keep the version you had or even to revert to a previous version if necessary to preserve stability when a bugged platform update wreaked havoc.  PMDG is signing up for something much more insidious this time--having to deal with a steady stream of oft-unstable updates coming in real-time, and probably having to repeatedly issue mea culpas when their add-ons stop working due to the latest Asobo update bomb, the likes of which we've all seen plenty of so far.

If anyone *can* make it work, PMDG would certainly be my #1 candidate...they're a talented and experienced bunch.  I'm just not yet convinced that anyone actually can.

You're hoping msfs fails right? I'm sure pmdg knows all about the update cycle unless they have been living in a hole, so I think they'll be good. 

So I went over to the PMDG forums and some users seemed to be unhappy with the news from PMDG, saying in their posts that PMDG is shifting their resources away from P3D into MSFS.

But I did not read anything in Randazzo's post or hear anything in his video, that explicitly stated PMDG is shifting resources out of P3D and into MSFS.  All I read and heard from Randazzo was that PMDG is moving more resources into MSFS, but he didn't say where those resources are being drawn from (ie. I don't recall him saying resources for P3D products was being lowered).

Did I miss this somewhere?  Why do some users in the P3D forum think that PMDG is shifting resources out of P3D?  I totally didn't get that conclusion at all when I watched the video and read Randazzo's post in the PMDG forum.

here comes the haters and the naysayer....