55 minutes ago, birdguy said:

Could we be the descendants of the Martians who left Mars when it was drying up and colonized Earth?

Noel 

 

Except that we have a record on this planet of our evolutionary path. So its not like we came here from Mars pretty much evolved. What could be the case is that Martian meteorites brought bacterial life here, and evolution ultimately resulted in us and the rest of the creatures on the planet. 

Or, if we find life on Mars, it could have originated from here, via the meteorite transpiration method. We do share material. 

The ancient Sumerians recorded that "gods" came down to the earth and created man.  Man was a hybrid between these advanced beings and the indigenous primitive species extant on earth at the time.  The prototype human was called the "Adam".  We were made to essentially be servants to these advanced beings. 

Anyhow, if this is true, then they might still be around, and it could be their craft we are seeing.

If they are Russian or Chinese craft then we're in a whole heap of trouble, but I greatly doubt that they are.

They could be secret U.S. craft, and this whole investigation and report is just more disinformation.

I'm glad that this mystery is at the forefront of the news again.

Dave

An hour ago Lon.TV on youtube posted the places he would look to follow the UFO story...

 

"To the best of our knowledge, we cannot confirm nor deny.."

Uh huh.

it was a weather balloon in Roswell..

https://www.ufointernationalproject.com/ufo-topics/50000-year-old-paintings-of-aliens/

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5 hours ago, dave2013 said:

The ancient Sumerians recorded that "gods" came down to the earth and created man.  Man was a hybrid between these advanced beings and the indigenous primitive species extant on earth at the time.  The prototype human was called the "Adam".  We were made to essentially be servants to these advanced beings. 

Anyhow, if this is true, then they might still be around, and it could be their craft we are seeing.

If they are Russian or Chinese craft then we're in a whole heap of trouble, but I greatly doubt that they are.

They could be secret U.S. craft, and this whole investigation and report is just more disinformation.

I'm glad that this mystery is at the forefront of the news again.

Dave

Yep that is what I am talking about. I moved to New Zealand from North America and have seen the devastation that the introduced species have done to this country, and that got me thinking, what is the worst evasive species??? The logical answer can only be one, WE ARE 🤣

And then after a few beers and a few jokes we came up with the imagine we were brought here from another planet theory, but modified in a lab to live on this size of a planet and type of atmosphere, and dumbed down for our own good, and then left to our own devices. Yep that pretty much sums up the worst evasive species this planet has ever seen.

All of this is satire of course but it makes for great camp fire talk late at night under the open stars 😎

14 hours ago, dave2013 said:

The ancient Sumerians recorded that "gods" came down to the earth and created man.  Man was a hybrid between these advanced beings and the indigenous primitive species extant on earth at the time.  The prototype human was called the "Adam".  We were made to essentially be servants to these advanced beings. 

 

Yes, interesting stuff. I don't really buy it though. Looks like they were basing it on their own experience. Slaves were common at the time. I don't see how a super advanced race, capable of traversing a multitude of lightyears to get here in a reasonable time frame would require slaves. Their technology would negate that I would have thought. 

 

14 hours ago, dave2013 said:

Anyhow, if this is true, then they might still be around, and it could be their craft we are seeing.

If they are Russian or Chinese craft then we're in a whole heap of trouble, but I greatly doubt that they are.

They could be secret U.S. craft, and this whole investigation and report is just more disinformation.

I'm glad that this mystery is at the forefront of the news again.

 

Who knows, the universe is a mysterious place and time and time again it surprises us.

I agree regarding Russian and Chinese tech. It would mean that - if the reports regarding physics defying maneuverers are true - they had leapt hundreds of years into the future and now had inertial dampeners and some kind of gravity manipulation capability. Technology does improve rapidly but its incremental. Doesn't seem realistic. But who knows. As you say, if true, we are in jeopardy. 

Disinformation is something government is infamous for and they have used the UFO phenomenon for that purpose in the past. 

17 hours ago, dave2013 said:

The ancient Sumerians recorded that "gods" came down to the earth and created man.  Man was a hybrid between these advanced beings and the indigenous primitive species extant on earth at the time.  The prototype human was called the "Adam".  We were made to essentially be servants to these advanced beings. 

The first question would be: when did this happen and who were the indigenous species at that time? 

The second question would be: does “came down to earth” mean established a colony and built structures? If it does, where are the artifacts and, if it doesn't, what would be the point of creating prototype humans as servants?

The third question would be: did this happen only in Sumeria and so, today, there are some people with alien hybrid DNA and some with indigenous DNA?

Not just the Sumerians.  

Every culture on earth, no matter how primitive or how advanced, has a god to explain what what they can't explain.  Every one of them traces the beginnings of their cultures to beings from the sky who they call god or gods. 

A very good book on this is a novel called 'The Source' by James Michener.  It follows the first belief in and worship of a god by cave dwellers in what is now Israel and the tortuous evolution of this primitive religion into modern Judaism through the archeological  excavation, a dig, of a tell.  Every level of the dig unearths an interesting story of the past.

Michener alternates the chapters of this book from the evolution of a primitive god to a modern one with  modern Israel with their different sects of Judaism, the Sephardim and the Ashkenazi, and discrimination between them and how various cultures from Summarians and the Egyptians and the Babylonians to the Greeks and the Romans and later the Crusaders affected Judaism and the Jews as well as the Arabs.

I don't mean to change the course of the thread here but to flesh out Dave's reference to the Summarians and Dugald's reply.  If you are a reader and interested in the subject check out 'The Source'.

Noel

13 hours ago, Matthew Kane said:

Yep that is what I am talking about. I moved to New Zealand from North America and have seen the devastation that the introduced species have done to this country, and that got me thinking, what is the worst evasive species??? The logical answer can only be one, WE ARE 🤣

And then after a few beers and a few jokes we came up with the imagine we were brought here from another planet theory, but modified in a lab to live on this size of a planet and type of atmosphere, and dumbed down for our own good, and then left to our own devices. Yep that pretty much sums up the worst evasive species this planet has ever seen.

All of this is satire of course but it makes for great camp fire talk late at night under the open stars 😎

While I'm not one of those folks who believe that humans are "bad", I do agree that we are an invasive and destructive species.  Like the agent Smith said in the movie the Matrix, we move into an area and consume all the resources and then just move to another place and do it again.  We definitely need to control our population and reduce our impact on this earth.

1 hour ago, dmwalker said:

The first question would be: when did this happen and who were the indigenous species at that time? 

The second question would be: does “came down to earth” mean established a colony and built structures? If it does, where are the artifacts and, if it doesn't, what would be the point of creating prototype humans as servants?

Of course this story of ancient aliens coming here and creating man is just conjecture, albeit based on ancient Sumerian, Assyrian, and Babylonian texts.  There are many other cultures with similar stories.  I don't necessarily believe it, but I wouldn't rule it out altogether.

Supposedly this happened around 10,000 years ago, give or take a few thousand years.  It is likely that the Neanderthal species was genetically "upgraded" to Homo Sapiens.

I, too, have wondered why there are no advanced ancient artifacts left behind.  Perhaps they left and took everything with them.  As far as structures, well, there are many megalithic structures which defy explanation.  It is also possible that the great Flood, or Deluge, wiped out their civilization and much of it is now under the oceans.  They made intelligent humans to perform their labor, such as agriculture and mining, and to simply serve their every need.

Dave

1 hour ago, dave2013 said:

I, too, have wondered why there are no advanced ancient artifacts left behind.

 

Because it probably didn't happen, the probability is miniscule.  Both Human's and Neanderthal's shared a common ancestor. We split from Neanderthals half a million years ago or thereabouts. 

1 hour ago, dave2013 said:

They made intelligent humans to perform their labor, such as agriculture and mining, and to simply serve their every need.

 

Again though, why would super advanced aliens that can traverse a multitude of lightyears and thus, by definition, posses incredible technology need human labour? The technology they would have possessed would have been miraculous compared with ours today. Even we, now, are 3D printing houses in a matter of hours, think what an advanced alien species could do. They would probably have the capability to manipulate matter on the atomic level and replicate whatever they need without the primitive concept of manual slave labour. 

It shouldn't be underestimated just how hyper advanced the technology would  be of an interstellar species.

2 hours ago, dave2013 said:

Of course this story of ancient aliens coming here and creating man is just conjecture, albeit based on ancient Sumerian, Assyrian, and Babylonian texts.  There are many other cultures with similar stories.  I don't necessarily believe it, but I wouldn't rule it out altogether.

Supposedly this happened around 10,000 years ago, give or take a few thousand years.  It is likely that the Neanderthal species was genetically "upgraded" to Homo Sapiens.

According to Wikipedia, Neanderthals disappeared about 40,000 years ago, partly through interbreeding with Early Modern Humans (Homo Sapiens), so that's not really an upgrading or, at least, not an alien mediated genetic upgrading.

This thread seems to be focussing on the Middle East. Does that mean that aliens landed only there, and Sumeria was the epicentre where hybrids of aliens and indigenous species were created? I don't know of any other cultural belief that refers to such hybrids but my knowledge of these matters is the square root of not very much.

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4 hours ago, dmwalker said:

This thread seems to be focussing on the Middle East. Does that mean that aliens landed only there, and Sumeria was the epicentre where hybrids of aliens and indigenous species were created?

Again, the ancient alien story is pure conjecture.  The oldest written records that we know about are Sumerian.  The Sumerians built their civilization in the Middle East, and it is generally accepted that human civilization started there, although when you go back that far in time there is no way to be sure about anything. 

5 hours ago, martin-w said:

Both Human's and Neanderthal's shared a common ancestor. We split from Neanderthals half a million years ago or thereabouts.

There is now way to be sure about that.  Yes, anthropologists, archaeologists, and paleontologists have done their studies and research, but when you go back hundreds of thousands or millions of years I just don't believe one can know for sure what happened or when.  Those theories of the evolution of ancient man are based on a relatively small number of fossils and skulls discovered so far.  Radiocarbon dating is only reliable up to about 50,000 years old, and other methods of dating all have their shortcomings and uncertainties.

No one knows for sure.

Dave

 

NASA investigating now.

 

 

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8 hours ago, dave2013 said:

There is now way to be sure about that.

 

We have enough evidence to know it happened. Time scales are still up for debate. Recent research has suggested more like 800,000 years ago we diverged.