2 minutes ago, fogboundturtle said:

I would remind you to lower your expectation when it comes to any sim update. Your experience may vary.

Very true, but the underlying point is we're MOVING in the right direction.  That's what people are seeing.  I've been simming since the very first version of FS, so I'm well aware...lol.

We are seeing MS and ASOBO actually deliver and doing it quickly.

Am I being incredibly brave or incredibly stupid to suggest that FSL may have switched their development to a Concorde for MSFS and are simply keeping quiet about it?

30 minutes ago, omarsmak30 said:

As I said before, FSL was (and is still) acting like MSFS is invisible

Yep...and if they keep doing so, what they may believe is a diehard customer base who'll stick with them regardless of what other devs put into the new sim, will also become invisible...to them, specially their wallets. 🤣

Its preposterous to think that avid simmers, and fanatical Airbus fans will not abandon them in a heartbeat when a shiny new, and very possibly better, and likely cheaper Airbus is released in a better, more supported sim.  To not do so would be....well, just silly.

Its time for FSL to fish or cut bait...and the way it seems to be going if they remain silent, they are cutting the bait. 😉

Edited July 13, 20214 yr by Steve Dra

Just now, Jeff Nielsen said:

Very true, but the underlying point is we're MOVING in the right direction.  That's what people are seeing.  I've been simming since the very first version of FS, so I'm well aware...lol.

We are seeing MS and ASOBO actually deliver and doing it quickly.

Yeah, the improvements being made to MSFS are finally culminating into critical mass for it to seriously threaten both X-Plane and P3D (well, MSFS is already a very, very serious threat to P3D in the home consumer simulator market).

I am shocked that Sim Update 5 has the potential to provide an nice further boost in FPS.  I know in the video that Asobo and Seb showed, the FPS boost was something like a 65% FPS boost.  But I'm going to assume that was a cherry picked scenario by Seb to show the best FPS boost possible.  So for the average MSFS user, I am going to temper my expectations a little and assume everyone gets a 30% boost in FPS for Sim Update 5, on average.  But even if everyone gets on average, a 30% FPS boost from Sim Update 5 (30% is a low ball figure by me, to temper my expectations), that is a nice boost for everyone.  The best part about the FPS boost is that it may allow Asobo to implement even more advanced graphics in MSFS, because the FPS boost from Sim Update 5 gives them some margin now.

The problem for X-Plane and P3D is that they need to match the graphics of MSFS, while keeping the FPS high.  That's a tall order for X-Plane and P3D, given both are using old architecture. If X-Plane and P3D have already been optimized before for FPS, I have no idea how either simulator will be able to improve the graphics to match MSFS, while keeping also keeping the FPS high.  I guess we will find out.

 

2 minutes ago, Steve Dra said:

Yep...and if they keep doing so, what they may believe is a diehard customer base who'll stick with them regardless of what other devs put into the new sim, will also become invisible...to them, specially their wallets. 🤣

Its preposterous to think that avid simmers, and fanatical Airbus fans will not abandon them in a heartbeat when a shiny new, and very possibly better, and likely cheaper Airbus is released in a better, more supported sim.  To not do so would be....well, just silly.

Its time for FSL to fish or cut bait...and the way it seems to be going if they remain silent, they are cutting the bait. 😉

I'm actually wondering they're going 'end-of-life' (retiring) after the Concorde.  It could be, they just want out maybe.

Just now, Jeff Nielsen said:

I'm actually wondering they're going 'end-of-life' (retiring) after the Concorde.  It could be, they just want out maybe.

I've thought the same thing.  They may have realized they completely missed the MSFS boat with the Fenix announcement, and are too tired to to get into the game.  It does wear you down after a while, and Lefteris may just be ready to hang it up.   They'll keep the doors open as long as it's economically viable, then fade away like LDS did (That was a sad departure, spent many years flying and painting that aircraft).

It's funny he did actually reply in that post, but only to remind people not to advertise other dev's work in the thread...not to actually (finally) make a statement about MSFS, even though he was directly asked (many times).   I hope he doesn't get a double ear infection from all the sand in his ears. 😂 

2 minutes ago, abrams_tank said:

Yeah, the improvements being made to MSFS are finally culminating into critical mass for it to seriously threaten both X-Plane and P3D (well, MSFS is already a very, very serious threat to P3D in the home consumer simulator market).

I am shocked that Sim Update 5 has the potential to provide an nice further boost in FPS.  I know in the video that Asobo and Seb showed, the FPS boost was something like a 65% FPS boost.  But I'm going to assume that was a cherry picked scenario by Seb to show the best FPS boost possible.  So for the average MSFS user, I am going to temper my expectations a little and assume everyone gets a 30% boost in FPS for Sim Update 5, on average.  But even if everyone gets on average, a 30% FPS boost from Sim Update 5 (30% is a low ball figure by me, to temper my expectations), that is a nice boost for everyone.  The best part about the FPS boost is that it may allow Asobo to implement even more advanced graphics in MSFS, because the FPS boost from Sim Update 5 gives them some margin now.

The problem for X-Plane and P3D is that they need to match the graphics of MSFS, while keeping the FPS high.  That's a tall order for X-Plane and P3D, given both are using old architecture. If X-Plane and P3D have already been optimized before for FPS, I have no idea how either simulator will be able to improve the graphics to match MSFS, while keeping also keeping the FPS high.  I guess we will find out.

 

Well, unless LM or XP can get something like BlackShark and Bing going, I don't see any way for them to feasibly come up with a graphics solution in any amount of time.  The partners that MS has are enabling them to move at light speed.  
What's even more mind boggling is, what could be year 2 or 3 bring?  I have a feeling we've only seen the tip of the iceberg.  

3 minutes ago, Steve Dra said:

I've thought the same thing.  They may have realized they completely missed the MSFS boat with the Fenix announcement, and are too tired to to get into the game.  It does wear you down after a while, and Lefteris may just be ready to hang it up.   They'll keep the doors open as long as it's economically viable, then fade away like LDS did (That was a sad departure, spent many years flying and painting that aircraft).

It's funny he did actually reply in that post, but only to remind people not to advertise other dev's work in the thread...not to actually (finally) make a statement about MSFS, even though he was directly asked (many times).   I hope he doesn't get a double ear infection from all the sand in his ears. 😂 

I think it was long before the FENIX announcement.  They barley acknowledged the sim's existence from day one.  A year or so ago they could have easily said they were 'looking at it to see if it was viable for us'.  They didn't even say that.  They had the market for the Bus sealed up.  They were the reason I started flying it.  They were the reason I got hooked on it.

18 minutes ago, Jeff Nielsen said:

I'm actually wondering they're going 'end-of-life' (retiring) after the Concorde.  It could be, they just want out maybe.

Extremely doubtful. Both Lefteris and Andrew are a long way from retirement age. FSL work is their full-time occupation.

30 minutes ago, Will Fly For Cheese said:

Am I being incredibly brave or incredibly stupid to suggest that FSL may have switched their development to a Concorde for MSFS and are simply keeping quiet about it?

Unless they are willing to say something about it, we'll never know.  That's kind of the whole point we've been talking about here...lol.  

IF they have the capability do it, you'd think that would be the smart play.  It would probably sell like hot cakes.  The Concorde is still probably one of the most requested aircraft in a sim.

Edited July 13, 20214 yr by Jeff Nielsen

1 minute ago, Ray Proudfoot said:

Extremely doubtful. Both Lefteris and Andrew are a long way from retirement age. FSL work is their full-time occupation.

Yes, I'm aware of that.  Life happens though.  We have no clue what's happening.  We're not rooting for them to go out, but at least say something.  At least we could respect that, whatever the outcome may be.

1 hour ago, CJ1045 said:

Posted by a youtuber and not Fenix

I guess i have trust issues lol. 

3 minutes ago, Jeff Nielsen said:

Yes, I'm aware of that.  Life happens though.  We have no clue what's happening.  We're not rooting for them to go out, but at least say something.  At least we could respect that, whatever the outcome may be.

Work on Concorde for P3D v4/5 continues but there are no announcements as you’re well aware. I’m just as frustrated as everyone else but I would imagine they’ll say something when they’re ready.

This new Airbus project will have caused some consternation and they’ll need to assess their options I imagine before announcing their intentions.

1 minute ago, Ray Proudfoot said:

Extremely doubtful. Both Lefteris and Andrew are a long way from retirement age. FSL work is their full-time occupation.

Yeah Ray....but their platform (should they not move to MSFS) is becoming an ever smaller lake pond backyard pool glass of water teaspoon to fish from, and as I mentioned, it seems they are happy to just cut bait for Fenix who's gonna be pulling in the big fish in MSFS when (if) they release their Airbus.

Of course, they seem to have their heads sunk so deep in the sand about updates and/or a release roadmap for MSFS, we can only speculate, and while that strategy has worked for them over the years (because they were essentially the only high fidelity Airbus maker in the market), they now have something they never had before...real (apparent) competition.  If they don't give everyone an idea if they are even in the MSFS game soon (and especially if a few more reviews/streams come out showing what this new bird can do)...believe me simmers will make that decision for them...hence the thought of retirement.  Hard to sell a product with no market.

I know this is all speculation, but what else can you do when a dev has employed the ostrich maneuver? 😉 

1 minute ago, Ray Proudfoot said:

Work on Concorde for P3D v4/5 continues but there are no announcements as you’re well aware. I’m just as frustrated as everyone else but I would imagine they’ll say something when they’re ready.

This new Airbus project will have caused some consternation and they’ll need to assess their options I imagine before announcing their intentions.

Agree 100%,  That's the way it goes.  Sorry we kind of hijacked the topic a bit.

In any case, back to FENIX.  I for one welcome them and are more then willing to give them a 'day one' chance.  I feel they have their heads on straight.  I had actually sort of decided I wasn't  interested in a CEO for the new sim, but they have changed my mind, so I'll grab it when it comes out.  🙂