5 hours ago, abrams_tank said:

Yup, I am skeptical if FSLab's Concorde will break even on their sales for P3D as well.  I imagine the hard core Concorde word not allowed will get it, but then there may have been some passive P3D users  with less interest in the Concorde (but just enough interest to buy it) that would have bought it if P3D was still their simulator of choice, but once those P3D users have uninstalled P3D because of MSFS, it's doubtful whether those passive users will go back to reinstall P3D just for the Concorde.

No going back to P3D for me,even if someone made a study level 757.......

22 minutes ago, w6kd said:

I wish them success, but I am not going to grant them credit for things advertised but undelivered, based on some pretty pictures.  Captain Sim does that every day, and, well, you know...

That what makes me think positive is, that they have Blackbox 711 in their team. I am watching his stream quite often and I think he wouldn't support this project if the quality weren't upright. He even said he left FSL as a tester, because he got bored about bugfixing and wanting to support new projects. Obviously he was talking about the Fenix. Of course until we haven't seen the plane we can not say for sure, but I can still understand your concern after the AirSimmer debacle.

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Grammer :D

I am really surprised by some of the comments here, well not surprised at them more from the people they have come from.

How anyone can hale this as better or as good as the FSL is really jumping the gun big time. We have not even seen it in a full flight let alone anything else. Also I would never underestimate Leftris and Andrew. 

I think we should all wait and see what we get before making crazy sweeping statments. It did not take upto now 10 years to make the FSL for nothing and thinking this is going to be the new bench mark is frankly wishfull thinking.

I personly hope its much better than the AS Bus and if its 70% of the FSL that will be amazing. I loook forward to it very much as for what we have seen it looks great. So much better than the what we have now, its no wonder the FBW team are looking for people to modle it properly like the Fenix one looks like.

1 hour ago, ThrottleUp said:

Sounds like this will be the new Crysis for flight games. The LOD they have said it has...

..sounds like many GPUs will cry 😃

 

Not really. In it's current unoptimized state, it's performing better than the FBW A320.

28 minutes ago, Nyxx said:

I personly hope its much better than the AS Bus and if its 70% of the FSL that will be amazing. I loook forward to it very much as for what we have seen it looks great. So much better than the what we have now, its no wonder the FBW team are looking for people to modle it properly like the Fenix one looks like.

Well from the look at it, from the twitch stream and FSElite article, it looks indeed at least 70% if not 110% in FSL scale, with "consumer price friendly" as they claim on their webpage and the "wow" factor looking at the cockpit photos. If what Fenix claim is ultimately true, then I think FSL will be really in troubles, the model alone in their P3D version, it is outdated in MSFS standard and thus it needs redo/enhance to match MSFS standard plus the tons of the code that need to be migrated to MSFS ecosystem. 

Bottom line is, I really don't see FSL coming at all to MSFS, my gut feeling they will stay in P3D and offering professional licenses there as way to make money with more cost of course. Unless, they are working on something behind the scene?

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35 minutes ago, Nyxx said:

I personly hope its much better than the AS Bus and if its 70% of the FSL that will be amazing

What features in FSL do you think will not be covered by Fenix?

I am very skeptical about this. It just sounds way too good to be true. But time will certainly tell. But i will definitely not be buying until trusted reviews are done. 

5 minutes ago, mrueedi said:

What features in FSL do you think will not be covered by Fenix?

On paper, it seems the right question to ask is what features Fenix has that is not covered by FSL

19 minutes ago, omarsmak30 said:

Well from the look at it, from the twitch stream and FSElite article, it looks indeed at least 70% if not 110% in FSL scale, with "consumer price friendly" as they claim on their webpage and the "wow" factor looking at the cockpit photos. If what Fenix claim is ultimately true, then I think FSL will be really in troubles, the model alone in their P3D version, it is outdated in MSFS standard and thus it needs redo/enhance to match MSFS standard plus the tons of the code that need to be migrated to MSFS ecosystem. 

Bottom line is, I really don't see FSL coming at all to MSFS, my gut feeling they will stay in P3D and offering professional licenses there as way to make money with more cost of course. Unless, they are working on something behind the scene?

I agree with the modeling. I personly dont think that within 1-2 years Fenix have coded the level of ferdelity that has taken 10 years to do for the FSL. We will see.🙂. Am happy to sit and wait and see. Hype and speculaion is a wonderfull thing. 🙂

10 minutes ago, mrueedi said:

What features in FSL do you think will not be covered by Fenix?

If you own the FSL you would not need to ask. Just go watch the counless streams of it. It must be the most streamed addon and for good reason. 

But it seems this topic has already desided this is going to be the best aircraft addon ever made, so enjoy! 🙂

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12 minutes ago, Nyxx said:

I personly dont think that within 1-2 years Fenix have coded the level of ferdelity that has taken 10 years to do for the FSL.

Yep my thoughts as well. Either they have started with this add-one back to P3D days as a target platform and then they switched the course after the release of MSFS (at the end both are based on Simconnect) which I think that was case. Or, they got a huge fund from an investor to hire more developers and thus accelerate the development with a promised good ROI. 

1 hour ago, w6kd said:

The question is whether the MSFS flight dynamics model incorporates factors unique to supersonic flight--shock drag, compressibility effects etc.  Otherwise you're just slewing a model at supersonic speeds and ignoring what makes supersonic flight different. 

 

This was discussed in a Dev update and my guess is it will coincide with the Top Gun release

• Future updates will be coming for aircraft with turboprop engines, supersonic flight, and the interaction of surfaces with supersonic flow
• Plan to improve dev tools to increase the accuracy and number of surfaces that can be edited  

I wish them luck, but I still have to think that with all the systems that they claim they have modeled (stored heat in the cargo hold), (atmospheric influences on different electrical systems - I think that is what was mentioned), (fidelity of real world GPS satellites)  my 7700K is going to get about 3FPS. (I'm a little, if not a lot - skeptical)

On pricing:

MSFS has a far wider reach potential than FSX/P3D and X-Plane ever will have.

$130 airliners for P3D was always a niche product. I don't believe these are the kind of prices we will see in MSFS. The PMDG DC-6 is already cheaper on MSFS than the other sims. 

I think the key to success for Fenix is mass market adaptation. That might be achievable at $60/$70 price point, but anything over $100 is going to be niche only.

Personally I stopped flying airliners in sims a while ago, I enjoy GA flying with radio nav, low and slow to enjoy the scenery. But if the Fenix A320 comes in at $60, I will buy it just to have a living, breathing, accurate high fidelity A320 in my sim. Just to load it up, play around with the systems and enjoy it. But at $100 that's not going to happen.

I'm really excited for this product. I think it will be incredible.

59 minutes ago, Nyxx said:

I am really surprised by some of the comments here, well not surprised at them more from the people they have come from.

How anyone can hale this as better or as good as the FSL is really jumping the gun big time. We have not even seen it in a full flight let alone anything else. Also I would never underestimate Leftris and Andrew. 

I think we should all wait and see what we get before making crazy sweeping statments. It did not take upto now 10 years to make the FSL for nothing and thinking this is going to be the new bench mark is frankly wishfull thinking.

I personly hope its much better than the AS Bus and if its 70% of the FSL that will be amazing. I loook forward to it very much as for what we have seen it looks great. So much better than the what we have now, its no wonder the FBW team are looking for people to modle it properly like the Fenix one looks like.

The issue is not which aircraft is better than the other. We can't say and I think most people even are not really into that discussion. The issue with FSL is not that people doubt their competence in developing great aircraft, they have proven that they can and even set standards for "study-level" or "hight-fidelity" aircraft. I can only speak for myself, I am annoyed that we still don't know if they even will enter the MSFS market or not despite which aircraft they're gonna develope; MSFS had been released almost one years ago and PMDG even released their first plane. I am just tired of this old-fashion style of marketing that customers are not seen as customers on a service perspective rather just paying people.

I personally would welcome producs by developers that has maybe 10% less realism but is more service orientied and provied "customer-friendly" conditions. I actually quite like the development with MSFS, all the Q&A, we all get involved and developers especially ASOBO is listing to our wishes and we see how the sim evolves.

Why do most people think, without having even flown the new aircraft, that this is propbably might set new standards: two quotes of thrustworthy persons (at least I can talk about Blackbox, I haven't been following Katie much, expect one stream when MSFS was released).

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these failure simulations are at a level where I can [use] the addon for my real world simulator-checkflights  - Blackbox711

 

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As many know, my standards for a high fidelity A320 in any simulator are extremely high. The combination of systems depth of the Fenix A320 and exemplary visuals from MSFS make this a pleasure and exciting to fly – just like the real thing. Not to mention the fun I have failing one of the many systems it has to offer! I am truly ecstatic to share this with the world and bring people closer to the real thing than has ever been possible before. - KatiePilot.

Yes, we don't know the aircraft but we have some response by people who are known for many years and will most likely not risk their reputation for a product that isn't not worth. That doesn't imply that FSL is bad, but it's based on old technology (since P3D is a old platform), and no one is claiming they can not set new standards in the new sim with newer technology despite the Fenix, but they need to come out of the box and engange more with the community.

Just let people be happy and enjoy, since anticipation is the best joy.

5 minutes ago, jimcarrel said:

I wish them luck, but I still have to think that with all the systems that they claim they have modeled (stored heat in the cargo hold), (atmospheric influences on different electrical systems - I think that is what was mentioned), (fidelity of real world GPS satellites)  my 7700K is going to get about 3FPS. (I'm a little, if not a lot - skeptical)

I think it will run easier than you believe. They mentioned the current Alpha version is running 1.5 fps lower than the bog standard Asobo A320. And 4-5 fps higher than the fully modded one. That's before they've optimized anything, and no compressed textures. 
Almost everything will be simulated outside of MSFS, so the only thing MSFS will have to do is render the visuals. It's a bit more complex than that, but that's the basics.