I would love to have a 350XWB word not allowed.

42 minutes ago, Krakin said:

What on earth is going on? Who are these guys? How were they able to do this in such a short space of time? It is a really good time to be a simmer, that's for sure!

They have been doing it in the background for 2 years now - pretty good planning imo - they took a gamble it looks like it will pay off but prob have a huge passion for it also - not always about money 

2 hours ago, B777ER said:

I imagine FSL must be feeling like LM when MSFS was announced. FSL is notoriously mum on what they are working on. They announced the Concorde for P3D but one must seriously wonder if this is the best business decision going with a very small niche aircraft on a dying platform. This news about a A320 that on first blush seems to surpass what FSL offers for MSFS cannot be welcome news. 

It's simple, when one developer sits on the sidelines waiting or complaining, someone hungrier will come along and eat their lunch. 

Edited July 13, 20214 yr by devgrp

2 hours ago, abrams_tank said:

If FSL persists with releasing all their new products on P3D, they may go bankrupt.  The other problem for FSL is if Fenix releases other variants of the Airbus on MSFS,  Since much of the legwork is already done with this A320, it may not be too hard for Fenix to release other variants of the Airbus on MSFS.

Honestly, I am not even sure FSL acknowledge MSFS at all. The second issue, their development speed is massively slow, it will take them years to come to MSFS if they decided they will. Plus they are busy with their Concorde which I am questioning, if it will make a breaking sales for them, especially it is still on P3D. 

14 hours ago, Tuskin38 said:

I wonder if they got A320 Sim Pilot to test. 

Looks like A320 Sim Pilot was not in on this?  but he should have been!

3 hours ago, B777ER said:

I imagine FSL must be feeling like LM when MSFS was announced. FSL is notoriously mum on what they are working on. They announced the Concorde for P3D but one must seriously wonder if this is the best business decision going with a very small niche aircraft on a dying platform. This news about a A320 that on first blush seems to surpass what FSL offers for MSFS cannot be welcome news. 

Totally stole their thunder!  But I love to see the competition...

I believe there is a Woman real A320 pilot on this project - thought it was mentioned in twitch video

Any expected date period of release ?

Kind regards.  

23 minutes ago, Richard Sennett said:

I believe there is a Woman real A320 pilot on this project - thought it was mentioned in twitch video

Yes Katie and Blackbox are real A320 pilots on Alpha and stream on Twitch, I just wish they have included A320 sim pilot (RWP(A320)) also  like others stated and he is very impressed with the FBW project too. There is no exposure on Youtube and A320 sim pilot would do just that for this new project.

Edited July 13, 20214 yr by jbdbow1970

Two things came in my mind when I discovered this thread:

1 - Holy **** ! Great! Another high level 3rd party!!!

2 - Seriously? Another A320? that's a shame...

1 hour ago, jbdbow1970 said:

Yes Katie and Blackbox are real A320 pilots on Alpha and stream on Twitch, I just wish they have included A320 sim pilot (RWP(A320)) also  like others stated and he is very impressed with the FBW project too. There is no exposure on Youtube and A320 sim pilot would do just that for this new project.

 

320 sim pilot is very elaborate and talks very fluent; It's always a joy to watch and listen to his videos explaining various topics. I guess it sucks that he's not an alpha tester but it's possible that he will be the product tester in the near future;, would be amazing if  the fenix a320 launch came out with a series of his tutorials at the same time!

I just love all these comparisons to the old niche market of P3D, FSX and XP in regards to pricing and the few companies that are able to produce high quality add-ons. This is a new market that is ten times larger where prices and products will adjust accordingly as new actors enter the market.

So here we have a good looking new gunslinger walking down the main street with gleaming guns. Will he beat the scarred old gunslingers drinking whiskey in the saloon in the inevitable duel - or is he just talk? Will they even come out to face him? If they don't - a new one will come riding over the prairie next month anyway as the talk is that there is money to be made again in Sim Town... 

Edited July 13, 20214 yr by mazex

2 hours ago, omarsmak30 said:

 Plus they are busy with their Concorde which I am questioning, if it will make a breaking sales for them, especially it is still on P3D. 

Yup, I am skeptical if FSLab's Concorde will break even on their sales for P3D as well.  I imagine the hard core Concorde word not allowed will get it, but then there may have been some passive P3D users  with less interest in the Concorde (but just enough interest to buy it) that would have bought it if P3D was still their simulator of choice, but once those P3D users have uninstalled P3D because of MSFS, it's doubtful whether those passive users will go back to reinstall P3D just for the Concorde.

If you're still betting on producing addons that will sell in P3D, you're probably sealing your fate.

4 hours ago, Richard Sennett said:

they took a gamble it looks like it will pay off but prob have a huge passion for it also - not always about money 

I think you can have a passion for something, but if your rent, bills, and food depends on money, then passion can only get you so far but in the end, you got to do something that will pay the bills and keep the food on the table.  For example, the FBW development team have their own jobs that earn them money, but then they devote whatever left is their time on the FBW A320 project.  The Fenix team was able to get so far and implement so many features for this A320 because it's their full time job and they expect to make money out of this to pay for their work over the last year (I would be curious to know if they received an initial round of funding last year to pay for all their salaries before the Fenix A320 was released). Because the Fenix development team is treating this as their full time job and they expect to be paid for it, they have surpassed the FBW team in the depth and fidelity with the Fenix A320.  But of course the Fenix A320 team was able to surpass the FBW A320 team, because the Fenix team is working on this full time, as compared to the spare time the FBW development team has.   Also, people with a passion for something may sometimes take a lower wage, if they really like what they are doing, but they still need a living wage after all.

All this matters because money is shaping the the home flight simulator industry as the months go by.  More and more developers are abandoning P3D for MSFS because they can no longer make a profit (or a large enough of a profit) on P3D sales.  Then you have some people that argue Austin is a nice "philanthropist" and he is so passionate about X-Plane that he will spend his entire fortune on X-Plane - I don't believe this for a second.  While I believe Austin can be passionate about X-Plane, he is not going to bankrupt himself and waste away his entire life's fortune just to save X-Plane.  At the most, I think if Austin is still very passionate about X-Plane, he may keep a small developer team working on it through the years (even if he makes a loss on future X-Plane sales for the home market), but not enough to bankrupt himself or waste away his entire life's fortune (or he may refocus all his X-Plane developer resources purely for the commercial market, if there is money to be made there).  

 

Edited July 13, 20214 yr by abrams_tank