Just now, Dillon said:

Just checked this and you would have to know in advance that Azure is going to be down in order to take advantage of this setting and choose the offline option before you close down the sim.  🧐

Yes, that is what I was trying to figure out. Looks like if  you are signing on from a cold start, there is no way you can get to that menu . 

 

1 hour ago, Bobsk8 said:

Yes, that is what I was trying to figure out. Looks like if  you are signing on from a cold start, there is no way you can get to that menu . 

So the point still stands that we were told something that isn't true that we could use the sim (wow, almost typed game ) offline if it couldn't reach the internet.  This only works if we know in advance which 99.9% of the time won't happen.  Like others have said nothing works 100% of the time Azure included but we should have the option to use the sim offline when there's a server issue.

For the record I was really hoping what you found was the work around that I missed somehow in the settings.🙂

Edited July 22, 20214 yr by Dillon

On 7/21/2021 at 6:09 PM, Dillon said:

Just checked this and you would have to know in advance that Azure is going to be down in order to take advantage of this setting and choose the offline option before you close down the sim.  🧐

Even then, the sim will complain that it cannot authenticate the user.. so not sure that is any better.

just do something else when it goes off, i dont see the problem.

So Azure servers were offline for a bit and people couldn't sim and it turns into a major issue...

Let's make a list of what was down yesterday with the Akamai outage:

Amazon, UPS, Steam, PSN, Fidelity, BBC, Global banks, numerous airlines all due to an Edge DNS issue.  So yes, for me not being able to get to Fidelity to execute a trade is a big deal.  MSFS not being online is a minor inconvenience that may be frustrating but will never impact my life.  I've had plenty of instances in our other sims where cloud dependancies (wxr etc) were unavailable and it just meant I'd wait for them to come back, no biggie, find something else to do for a bit.  Frustrating yes, worth getting upset over, no.  

Perspective is wonderful. 

4 hours ago, wim123 said:

just do something else when it goes off, i dont see the problem.

Depends on how long it goes off. FLIGHT's servers are still down after the few dollars some of us threw at it hoping it would improve over time...🙃  Did anyone get a refund? 😶

FS2020 looks like all of us were unpaid beta testers for the XBOX release.  Can you imagine the outcry from XBOX users if the sim was released a year ago in the condition it came to the PC?  FS2020 would have went the way of FLIGHT.

Edited July 23, 20214 yr by Dillon

Besides which, they said it would be usable offline.

3 hours ago, psolk said:

So Azure servers were offline for a bit and people couldn't sim and it turns into a major issue...

Let's make a list of what was down yesterday with the Akamai outage:

Amazon, UPS, Steam, PSN, Fidelity, BBC, Global banks, numerous airlines all due to an Edge DNS issue.  So yes, for me not being able to get to Fidelity to execute a trade is a big deal.  MSFS not being online is a minor inconvenience that may be frustrating but will never impact my life.  I've had plenty of instances in our other sims where cloud dependancies (wxr etc) were unavailable and it just meant I'd wait for them to come back, no biggie, find something else to do for a bit.  Frustrating yes, worth getting upset over, no.  

Perspective is wonderful. 

'Perspective is wonderful' as it's not about FS itself but rather big brother control of our lives, hobbies, financial institutions, and everything else.  As you stated so well above it affects much larger things than a sim.  COVID showed us the world can stay afloat with minimal onsite interaction thanks to IT but the control of IT is a problem.  It's like the 2008 bubble that people just accepted housing prices would keep climbing when incomes weren't doing the same.  Some of us knew that couldn't last and others blindly argued we were crazy.  Look what happened.  Getting off FS for a moment and addressing the companies you outlined above. You have for profit companies that are the backbone of the companies you mentioned were sensitive data is dispersed all around the world in large data centers in countries that don't like other countries. Many companies blindingly think just because there's a contract (you can only litigate in corrupted courts) the data holding companies are on the up and up.  The bold truth of it is those backup second and third data centers will be in places that the data holding companies can lease for cheap, believe that.  It's just like Russia owning much of the US's mortgage debt, China making most of the worlds pharmaceuticals, and Facebook to dodge US regulations is HQ'd in China.  Heck, you have cruise ships flying under different flags than their main port so they can skirt worker rights and pay.  Add insult to injury you have a music/movie industry controlled by three major companies hence you hear the same crappy artist over and over again asking yourself why.  So we get to the Cloud and because there's obvious benefits we sell our soul not being objective about it.  A red flag is you dare speak on the problems with three or four major companies having this kind of power over data and you get canceled, that should raise the hairs on anybody's neck.  Courts around the world now appear to be bought as we've seen recently where they won't look at obvious cases so concerns get a fair day in court.  It's foolish to blindly think what we're seeing is a good thing.  It's not sustainable and just like 2008 it will come to a head.  In our limited influence there's nothing many of us can do about this but being aware is better than being blissfully word not allowed.  Anytime we willfully give over our lives like this is a bad thing whether it's a sim, social media, or otherwise. The ramifications of this in the future has yet to be seen.  Discussing it and being aware in the confines of our hobby is a good thing because as you pointed out the larger implications of this big bright idea is so far reaching it's hard for many to comprehend.

Not meaning this to be a sky is falling post but a truth bomb that in the smallest since highlights what we were told and what we actually have.  In the larger scheme of things it's not as dismissive as some are making it out to be.

Edited July 23, 20214 yr by Dillon

2 hours ago, Dillon said:

Not meaning this to be a sky is falling post

.....  But that is perhaps the longest paragraph I have ever seen, LOL!  A real emotion indicator!

30 minutes ago, fppilot said:

.....  But that is perhaps the longest paragraph I have ever seen, LOL!  A real emotion indicator!

Lol your right, when 'PSolk' ran down his list of companies got me to rambling.  Should have had my coffee first... 

Edited July 23, 20214 yr by Dillon

I seem to remember that promise of offline possibility as well… but I can’t remember where I read that. 
 

Is anyone able to find that statement coming from the developers (Asobo or Microsoft)

Could be useful to start a post on the official forums to ask for a clear cut answer on this topic?!

 

Cheers,

Sylvain

 

Ps: a topic I created over there asking for an improved DRM like DCS world (although not perfect either) unfortunately never gained enough votes to get a statement during the developer Q&A on twitch. 
Maybe we are indeed only a small group disliking the always connected requirement.

So maybe before we shut down the sim, we go to the General Options and click on that button about being connected/not connected to the internet, then shut down. When we start up again maybe the sim will run in FSX like fashion off line? If that works, then all we have to do is click on the button EVERY TIME we shut down, and hen again EVERY TIME we start up. 

7 hours ago, Dillon said:

Should have had my coffee first... 

LOL!  I only do those ramblings when I have had TOO MUCH COFFEE !