1 hour ago, neil0311 said:

This is not what I’m seeing at all. And I’ll say it for the 999th time…the sim as it sits right now is head and shoulders above both P3D and FSX, regardless of what add ons you spend hundreds of dollars to buy, or what cfg files you endlessly tweak.

When I take off from the airport where I kept my C172 for years, I see the actual buildings and actual streets (with auto traffic) and the actual homes adjacent to the airport…not some generic representation or some developer’s attempt to represent them with generic (or even custom) objects.

The visuals in this sim are stunning. And that’s before I add the other changes and improvements from past versions.

Go back to FSX or P3D if you disagree. 

I don't disagree, Of course this is the best looking sim. I just think the PC version took a step back in few areas and would like the option to have some of those back. 

On 8/3/2021 at 9:33 AM, Rob_Ainscough said:

The more I fly with 1.18.14.0, the more I see visual problems ... video is better to really show the issues, not screenshots. 

Asobo also modified the behavior of when vegetation files are loaded from the community folder ... I used to be able to update them while MSFS was at the main menu, now a sim restart is required?  Seriously Asobo?  ... this one feels more like spite after my request to be able to do this "real-time" than anything else ... what reason could they possibly have to implement this specific change?

• Cloud Reflections are squares
• Shadow LOD is much closer so I can see shadows render as I fly (shadow chaser)
• Strange thin horizontal line at the horizon that appears to be rendered foreground and will cut thru anything
• Terrain shadows at 10% of left or right edge of the screen don't render so as one turns there is a sweeping shadow wave
• My XBOX controller now drifts up or down when in Cockpit regardless of null zone settings (doesn't do it external view, just in Cockpit)
• Still have to use a hack to get the menu tag to go away so I can record video and do screenshots without it
• AI lights seem to have a massive glow at certain view angles (thought it was an airport beacon at first)
• Changing view angle will now completely blow out the screen (way too bright)
• Vegetation renders back to "normal" levels now but the LOD on tree detail has been reduced so trees lack detail
• Coastline terrain morphs and shifts much worse than before

I have a hard time believing this also, these issues are really obvious and the response I've seen are "stop complaining" ... I wish I could have used that one when I was moderating LM's forums ... hey you "stop complaining" ... like that works? 

I get that one loves MSFS and wants to promote the product, but please be realistic, blind optimism and faith isn't good at getting solutions to really obvious problems.  I have a Beta tester that doesn't want to test my product anymore because of these MSFS issues ... how can this be spun as good?

I've got video captured demonstrating these problems, happy to post it if people really aren't seeing these problems?  

Rob.

 

I just wanted to point out that the terrain shadows not rendering at the edge of the screen was not introduced by SU5. I already noticed it some time ago (I think sometime after SU3 or SU4). It's quite prominent when you're using TrackIR. Of course, that doesn't make it any better.

1 hour ago, reignman40 said:

I don't disagree, Of course this is the best looking sim. I just think the PC version took a step back in few areas and would like the option to have some of those back. 

I’m not seeing those backwards steps. In fact, I was able to go full “ultra” last night in crowded airspace and the visuals were stunning.

But for those folks who don’t agree, as I said, there are options. 

On 8/3/2021 at 3:33 AM, Rob_Ainscough said:

The more I fly with 1.18.14.0, the more I see visual problems ... video is better to really show the issues, not screenshots. 

Asobo also modified the behavior of when vegetation files are loaded from the community folder ... I used to be able to update them while MSFS was at the main menu, now a sim restart is required?  Seriously Asobo?  ... this one feels more like spite after my request to be able to do this "real-time" than anything else ... what reason could they possibly have to implement this specific change?

• Cloud Reflections are squares
• Shadow LOD is much closer so I can see shadows render as I fly (shadow chaser)
• Strange thin horizontal line at the horizon that appears to be rendered foreground and will cut thru anything
• Terrain shadows at 10% of left or right edge of the screen don't render so as one turns there is a sweeping shadow wave
• My XBOX controller now drifts up or down when in Cockpit regardless of null zone settings (doesn't do it external view, just in Cockpit)
• Still have to use a hack to get the menu tag to go away so I can record video and do screenshots without it
• AI lights seem to have a massive glow at certain view angles (thought it was an airport beacon at first)
• Changing view angle will now completely blow out the screen (way too bright)
• Vegetation renders back to "normal" levels now but the LOD on tree detail has been reduced so trees lack detail
• Coastline terrain morphs and shifts much worse than before

I have a hard time believing this also, these issues are really obvious and the response I've seen are "stop complaining" ... I wish I could have used that one when I was moderating LM's forums ... hey you "stop complaining" ... like that works? 

I get that one loves MSFS and wants to promote the product, but please be realistic, blind optimism and faith isn't good at getting solutions to really obvious problems.  I have a Beta tester that doesn't want to test my product anymore because of these MSFS issues ... how can this be spun as good?

I've got video captured demonstrating these problems, happy to post it if people really aren't seeing these problems?  

Rob.

 

Maybe I’m blind or stupid, but even if correct, I don’t obsess on this minutia.

I flew last night and it was amazing. I’m not looking out of the cockpit looking at the view and thinking “man…this was 5% better before the update.” In fact, I was able to go all the way to “ultra” presets and INCREASE the overall quality.

As said, the sim now is so much better (to me in my opinion) than flying around with generic scenery or flat photo scenery in P3D or FSX.

2 hours ago, MrBitstFlyer said:

Good grief that screenshot looks awful!  its not far from a black and white world.  The textures top left in the distance look so bad.  My God this is nothing like the sim I saw at launch.

Looks the same as pre-SU5 to me.

Ive flown out of Atlanta a lot since the US World update. I’m not seeing how this looks worse, other than the over exposure.

Edited August 4, 20214 yr by Tuskin38

20 hours ago, Tuskin38 said:

No, the culling when not looking at something is what helps and I'm happy for it.

But a lot of the other visual degration people mention doesn't actually exist. It's a bug in the sim not properly saving graphics options. If you set your preset something else and then back, it fixes a lot of the rendering issues people mention.

It certainly does not fix the LOD issues, scenery pop-in issues and (worst of all imho) the aliasing issues.  The TAA option worked magically up to SU4 but now seems to have little effect.  UI menu screens, buildings, trees and other scenery objects now shimmer from terrible AA.  I am not sure if that issue is as bad in 2D, as I only fly in VR.

9 minutes ago, neil0311 said:

Maybe I’m blind or stupid, but even if correct, I don’t obsess on this minutia.

I flew last night and it was amazing. I’m not looking out of the cockpit looking at the view and thinking “man…this was 5% better before the update.” In fact, I was able to go all the way to “ultra” presets and INCREASE the overall quality.

As said, the sim now is so much better (to me in my opinion) than flying around with generic scenery or flat photo scenery in P3D or FSX.

Nothing flat with Orbx TrueEarth in any sim.

1 minute ago, MrBitstFlyer said:

Nothing flat with Orbx TrueEarth in any sim.

Yeah, but you need to spend money on that. MSFS does it for tree (minus the custom buildings and internet bills)

Edited August 4, 20214 yr by Tuskin38

7 minutes ago, Tuskin38 said:

Looks the same as pre-SU5 to me.

Ive flown out of Atlanta a lot since the US World update. I’m not seeing how this looks worse, other than the over exposure.

Perhaps you are just willing to accept downgrades because as you say it is over exposed.

Just now, MrBitstFlyer said:

Perhaps you are just willing to accept downgrades because as you say it is over exposed.

I don't like how it's over exposed. I want them to revert that.

1 minute ago, Tuskin38 said:

Yeah, but you need to spend money on that. MSFS does it for tree (minus the custom buildings and internet bills)

Currently MSFS ISN'T doing it for many of us.  I purchased Orbx True Earth before MSFS was released, so not sure how spending money on it is relevant.

1 minute ago, MrBitstFlyer said:

Currently MSFS ISN'T doing it for many of us. 

Your loss. All I see are improvements, minus the over exposure and rare CTD.

21 hours ago, Tuskin38 said:

And it will all be fixed eventually. This is clearly not intentional.

It seems far less clear to me that much of this is unintentional...

- 3rd party liveries may no longer work because Asobo wants to sell you their own liveries down the road

- PC users may be getting reduced graphics to match the limitations of XBox Series-S so that MS can tout how their gaming console runs MSFS exactly the same as any PC

 

I hope you are correct and these are all "bugs" that will eventually be fixed.  But I don't think you can dismiss the possibility that some of these limitations/bugs are 100% intentional and by design - so will likely never get fixed.

1 minute ago, PlumCrazy said:

3rd party liveries may no longer work because Asobo wants to sell you their own liveries down the road

That's conspiracy theory nonsense, and all my third party liveries have worked so far.

  

1 minute ago, PlumCrazy said:

PC users may be getting reduced graphics to match the limitations of XBox Series-S so that MS can tout how their gaming console runs MSFS exactly the same as any PC

And yet they reverted the LOD system on PC so it's no longer matching the x-box version.

Edited August 4, 20214 yr by Tuskin38

2 hours ago, ADamiani said:

May I quietly point out that I BOUGHT this game? And that they promised UPGRADES and this SU5 is a DOWNGRADE?

I am pretty tired of people saying "love it or leave it". 

I'm asking for the product I had two weeks ago. That's all.

And I don't see why I should go to P3D or FSX, that are not even on my hard disk.

A.

Exactly , just bring it back to where it was minus the X box downgrade,