8 hours ago, Noel said:

Ray, practically speaking, how far do you end up pulling back on the yoke, as in maximum inches?

On rotation around 2/3 or 2.7”. When flaring again, around 2/3.

I’ve never pulled it back to the stops as I don’t fly aircraft that need such large inputs. The range means you can get very smooth landings with fine adjustments available that lesser yokes don’t permit. Hall-Effect sensors are very accurate.

8 hours ago, Keirtt said:

their terrible customer service

My Honeycomb Yoke was a failure out of the box.  My email to them was answered immediately.   After a quick test they agreed the unit was faulty and sent a replacement.

 

9 hours ago, Keirtt said:

they should’ve reconsidered that silly Ethernet cable connection.

Do you know for sure they retained the ethernet cable connection?  I've not seen any photos of the XPC showing it there or not.  This was one of 3 questions I emailed them about but of course they haven't responded.  The US "support" team is anything but.  Except for this piece, the ethernet cable, the price seems totally fair for the rest of the product--sports the vaunted Hall Effect Sensors, no hard detent, and totally smooth operation by all accounts.  The only piece really missing is having increasing tension w/ increasing roll.  If it indeed still has the ethernet connection that is a show stopper for sure as I've read about its failure prone nature.

1 hour ago, Noel said:

Do you know for sure they retained the ethernet cable connection?  I've not seen any photos of the XPC showing it there or not.  This was one of 3 questions I emailed them about but of course they haven't responded.  The US "support" team is anything but.  Except for this piece, the ethernet cable, the price seems totally fair for the rest of the product--sports the vaunted Hall Effect Sensors, no hard detent, and totally smooth operation by all accounts.  The only piece really missing is having increasing tension w/ increasing roll.  If it indeed still has the ethernet connection that is a show stopper for sure as I've read about its failure prone nature.

Yeah, it’s there. If you look on their site they did a great job hiding it by not plugging the cable in. So you have to zoom in on the picture to see the port is still there. A very poor design.

Shoot that's too bad.  How possible would it be to reinforce the connection so that lateral stresses are reduced?  The superior basics in the Fulcrum are not lost I me I understand it but I still feel I'll be happier w/ the HC XPC yoke than the Fulcrum because it's a better fit for my space and really, I like the idea of a little shorter throw for pitch.  The XPC yoke will be vastly superior to the Saitek I use now and really solves its basic defects completely.   But I don't want defects like this port issue because dealing with their customer support sounds nigh to impossible.  If it were any other responsible company they might have created a stabilizing connector (without the need to totally redesign and eliminate the cable) it doesn't sound like an extraordinarily difficult technical problem to solve but alas I wouldn't put it past Honeycomb to just put it on ignore.  Unfortunate as there is a lot to like about the new model even at that price.  

On 9/3/2022 at 6:16 PM, Noel said:

The Saitek has 2.25" of travel in each direction, so 4.5" total pitch travel.  The HC is hugely greater at 3.7" each way or 7.4" in total, so the better part of double the travel as the Saitek.

I don't know where you are getting those numbers from 😐

31 minutes ago, MarkDH said:

I don't know where you are getting those numbers from 😐

The Saitek I measured, the HC I read and now that I read again see several different quotes.  This one says 15cm, or 6", for pitch travel:

...the yoke moves through a full 180° for the roll and pitch travel is 15cm, most of the flying takes place around the centre point and here the control inputs were precise and fluid with no dead zone.

Honeycomb Aeronautical’s Alpha Flight Controls (key.aero)

Still, the additional 35% of pitch travel increase combined w/ roller bearings and 12-bit hall sensors will be a huge improvement over Saitek for me.  Honestly it's the RJ45 port which seems like a simple problem to address for an end user, plus customer service gone AWOL that are my chief concerns not the yoke itself.  

47 minutes ago, Noel said:

the HC I read and now that I read again see several different quotes.  This one says 15cm, or 6", for pitch travel:

...the yoke moves through a full 180° for the roll and pitch travel is 15cm,

I can't read that review because it's payware. No matter, it's wrong so I hope you didn't pay for it. Here's a better review. And I suggest you measure the Saitek again, because by my recollection the pitch travel is pretty much the same as the Honeycomb.

I sent HC an e-mail re: inoperative thrust reverser lever. Got a response with ticket # in 2 days with instructions on how to RMA. Sent proof of purchase and photos of Bravo unit and within a few days had a pre/paid shipping label. Sent it back and received replacement today at no cost to me either way.  I am quite happy with HC’s responsiveness and e-mail accessibility.

2 hours ago, MarkDH said:

I can't read that review because it's payware. No matter, it's wrong so I hope you didn't pay for it. Here's a better review. And I suggest you measure the Saitek again, because by my recollection the pitch travel is pretty much the same as the Honeycomb.

No I didn't pay for it just appeared on a Google search.

I more carefully measured my Saitek and my more crude measurement was way off:  it's only 1.75" in each direction, or 3.5" total travel.  I have put the question to folks that own it and we'll see how they report it shortly.

1 hour ago, James Callan said:

I sent HC an e-mail re: inoperative thrust reverser lever. Got a response with ticket # in 2 days with instructions on how to RMA. Sent proof of purchase and photos of Bravo unit and within a few days had a pre/paid shipping label. Sent it back and received replacement today at no cost to me either way.  I am quite happy with HC’s responsiveness and e-mail accessibility.

Well that's promising at least.

16 hours ago, Noel said:

Do you know for sure they retained the ethernet cable connection?  I've not seen any photos of the XPC showing it there or not.  This was one of 3 questions I emailed them about but of course they haven't responded.  The US "support" team is anything but.  Except for this piece, the ethernet cable, the price seems totally fair for the rest of the product--sports the vaunted Hall Effect Sensors, no hard detent, and totally smooth operation by all accounts.  The only piece really missing is having increasing tension w/ increasing roll.  If it indeed still has the ethernet connection that is a show stopper for sure as I've read about its failure prone nature.

I solved that problem by changing their cable to a short "normal" ethernet cable (0.25m are long enough), so there is no strain on either end.

Edited September 5, 20223 yr by -Belga-

I pre-ordered the XPC - supposed to ship 9/15/22