5 hours ago, James Callan said:

Plastic toy? As opposed to a metal toy?

Sure, but metal feels better in your hands, and are more precise and will last longer, if that matter.

7 hours ago, Noel said:

12-bit sensors.

"400% increased resolution".

I ended up not going with the Honeycomb. They had said the new version was going to be $270 vs $250 for the old one. Then it released and it was $350.   The Fulcrum One yoke isn't much more than that, and it's a fantastic yoke. I'm actually glad Honeycomb decided to raise prices - pushed me to a much higher level of controller. 

 

5 hours ago, eslader said:

I ended up not going with the Honeycomb. They had said the new version was going to be $270 vs $250 for the old one. Then it released and it was $350.   The Fulcrum One yoke isn't much more than that, and it's a fantastic yoke. I'm actually glad Honeycomb decided to raise prices - pushed me to a much higher level of controller. 

 

That was the right choice to do. The Fulcrum is excellent. Honeycomb products are good when they work correctly and a nightmare when they don’t. 350€ is way too much for the yoke though. 

5 hours ago, petz_e said:

That was the right choice to do. The Fulcrum is excellent. Honeycomb products are good when they work correctly and a nightmare when they don’t. 350€ is way too much for the yoke though. 

Yeah. I got the Bravo quadrant before all of this and it's pretty good, but the QC isn't the best. Commercial throttle 1 was loose almost immediately, and the toggle switches don't always register when you press them. At some point, I'll probably replace it with the Fulcrum quadrant when it comes out.

 

On 10/5/2021 at 12:36 PM, Mike S KPDX said:

Hey, you are the only other person I know that uses (used) the X45.  That is what I am using now.  I have just started to notice some noise in the rudder paddle.  I have some questions if you don't mind:

• Did you ever try to take it apart to clean the pots (blow out the carbon buildup)?
• Do you know if they used 'high' quality pots?
• Would you expect the hall effect sensors to have a higher resolution and range?
• What joystick/throttle combo do you have now and are you happy?

 

 

Usually high quality [ots are sealed,and difficult to take apart for the average user. Hall ICs are the way to go. 

I'm still deciding and right now one giant factor against Fulcrum is the depth of it in my play space it's just so deep I will need to move my display back another foot from ideal viewing distance.  I really like what I see with it but this issue may prevent me from going there unfortunately.  The XPC yoke solves a lot of what was wrong w/ the prior version now w/ hall effect sensors, no hard detent, full 180 degrees of rotation.  I have no problems w/ "plastic" any more modern cars are fully loaded w/ plastic parts as is the frame of my display and everything else.  IOW, metal would not be any reason to go w/ Fulcrum.  But the action/feel and durability is where it will shine.  Honeycomb DOES NOT believe in Customer Service--this is the primary reason I'm looking at Fulcrum despite it's deep footprint.  They are like a black hole in terms of accessing anyone by email or by phone--just pathetic.  I am absolutely holding out for the Fulcrum TQ it looks perfect!

13 minutes ago, Noel said:

... one giant factor against Fulcrum is the depth of it in my play space it's just so deep ...

Unfortunately if you want 8” of travel the box has to be deep. The Honeycomb is far less deep because it only has 3-4” of travel - pretty much the same as the Saitek.

1 hour ago, Ray Proudfoot said:

Unfortunately if you want 8” of travel the box has to be deep. The Honeycomb is far less deep because it only has 3-4” of travel - pretty much the same as the Saitek.

I understand the why but that is the reality of my play space.  I'm very happy with ergonomics right now but to be frank I haven't put enough effort into seeing if the Fulcrum could fit in the space without adverse effects on ergonomics.  Does it bother you that it looks almost like it belongs in a real plane, and yet the rest of your space does not look like it belongs in a real plane?  That might seem an odd question but the metal box and really first class look of the Fulcrum almost seem a little out of place in appearance for my setting.  The Saitek has 2.25" of travel in each direction, so 4.5" total pitch travel.  The HC is hugely greater at 3.7" each way or 7.4" in total, so the better part of double the travel as the Saitek.   At this point the new HC XPC looks to offer a whole lot except one giant annoyance:  they just don't like customer service nor support.  I've read some threads about this and they simply have made themselve inaccessible in large part.  I don't like supporting that business model.  Chris responds rapidly and I do support that of course!  I really do like what I see w/ the Fulcrum but less pitch travel, HC's in other words, is fine enough.  Giant improvement over Saitek.  Besides the CS issue the other issue w/ the HC is how it feels for roll.  Pitch change apparently is good and smooth, but I read there is not enough resistance, and no change in resistance when all the way to full roll. 

16 minutes ago, Noel said:

Does it bother you that it looks almost like it belongs in a real plane, and yet the rest of your space does not look like it belongs in a real plane?

Not in the slightest. The GBP/USD exchange rate also works in your benefit at present.

I’m sure with some creative imagination you can find a way for the Fulcrum to fit.

On 9/2/2022 at 4:22 PM, James Callan said:

Plastic toy? As opposed to a metal toy?

My thought exactly.

20 hours ago, eslader said:

I'm actually glad Honeycomb decided to raise prices

They raised prices because they made major improvements that put it in at least in the ball park of much more expensive "toy" yokes, and yes, they are ALL TOYS, though some are better than others at pretending they're not 😉  

 

5 hours ago, Ray Proudfoot said:

I’m sure with some creative imagination you can find a way for the Fulcrum to fit.

Ray, practically speaking, how far do you end up pulling back on the yoke, as in maximum inches?

7 hours ago, Noel said:

Does it bother you that it looks almost like it belongs in a real plane, and yet the rest of your space does not look like it belongs in a real plane?

 Nope! Gives me aspirations to get the rest of my stuff up to scratch. 😉

 

I have it mounted on a standard glass office desk right now until I get my VR simpit built.  Which I should do, but it's a matter of getting around to it, so it'll probably be on the desk for months to come. The desk is around 3 feet deep and it fits just fine. I always put my monitors at the rear of the desk on a stand, and they didn't have to move at all. The main inconvenience is that the yoke box takes up room where my keyboard used to go, so I'm doing a lot of lap typing when I'm working on something other than the sim.

1 hour ago, Noel said:

Ray, practically speaking, how far do you end up pulling back on the yoke, as in maximum inches?

and I know I'm not Ray, but I have a Fulcrum as well. There are times I pull it all the way back. You'll want the full travel available but really all you have to do is push your chair back a bit and it's fine. Pull the rudder pedals out to compensate. 

7 hours ago, Noel said:

They raised prices because they made major improvements that put it in at least in the ball park of much more expensive "toy" yokes, and yes, they are ALL TOYS, though some are better than others at pretending they're not 😉  

 

While they were raising prices, they should’ve reconsidered that silly Ethernet cable connection. That’s the biggest failure point of that design and with their terrible customer service, I don’t fault anyone for not wanting to pay their prices. That’s coming from an owner of an alpha and bravo. I will not personally buy another honeycomb product until they figure out their customer service.