Now I see the airliners jocks laughing at me 😁 ! So let me explain.

Never been a great fan of airliners. Nothing wrong with them but with me, It is just not what I expect from a sim (short flights less than 75 minutes, hands on driving, not too much preparation as in programming a FMS etc.)   But I try from time to time...  

Now we have two short to medium haulers coming up,  the PMDG 737 and the Milviz ATR.  I am not overly interested by the 737 (never say never...) but intrigued by the ATR. These are obviously two different types of aircraft but when you look at the bottom line, what is the most fun to have ? I noted, for instance, that in a recent post a seasoned 747 pilot like @David Roch was very much looking forward to the ATR.

  

Edited November 13, 20214 yr by Dominique_K

I am very much looking forward to the ATR.  I rarely fly airliners either but flying the ATR into regional airports around the UK is much more fun for me.  Really looking forward to it.   

ATR for me. Been simming 737 since 2004 but we really havent had a good ATR 72-600 at all.

Hi Dom,

I will not buy a 777/747 etc again as like you i only like to fly for around 75-90 mins max. 

The NG and also the A320 are still perfect for that time, but both need planing (Simbrief) Both will proberly have the flight plan import striaght in. So not to bad. 

The ATR does look like a good small "airliner" but the one I think would suit your needsalso is the AS CRJ, its small, has no auto throttle flight plans go striaght into it. The built in EFB works well, its really nice for a small airliner and am sure you know what I feel about AS, so am not saying this lightly. 

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The CRJ is fast and most flights I do are only around 1 hours with 15 mins on the gate to set up. E.G, LEBB to LEBL

Just a thought 🙂

Edited November 13, 20214 yr by Nyxx

9 minutes ago, Nyxx said:

 

Just a thought 🙂

Hi David, thank you  !  I don't doubt that the CRJ is a good product. But I had an aircraft made by Hartmann once and I made a note to myself not to buy anything from him ever more 😉.  I don't like the way he behaved then.

27 minutes ago, SAS443 said:

ATR for me. Been simming 737 since 2004 but we really havent had a good ATR 72-600 at all.

 

52 minutes ago, badger2000 said:

I am very much looking forward to the ATR.  I rarely fly airliners either but flying the ATR into regional airports around the UK is much more fun for me.  Really looking forward to it.   

Why do you go for the ATR ?

3 hours ago, Dominique_K said:

Hi David, thank you  !  I don't doubt that the CRJ is a good product. But I had an aircraft made by Hartmann once and I made a note to myself not to buy anything from him ever more 😉.  I don't like the way he behaved then.

 

Why do you go for the ATR ?

I had the A72-500 for P3D and really enjoyed flying it.  Slower than the jets (of course).  I don't have time for long flights so a quick hop in an ATR from Southampton to Leeds or East Midlands to Dundee is perfect for me.  I also prefer the smaller airports to the larger International airports. 

For me it would be the 737 every time. 

You can use it on whatever kind of flight you like, short 30 minute to one hour hops, or full blown narrow body ‘long haul’. There is usually much more to learn in terms of systems and operation (while you still can get up in the air with relatively little effort as well, learn at your own pace). Energy management is more of a fun challenge on jets, most turbo props you can throw around quite easily and slow down easy thanks to two huge prop discs providing drag. Can be fun as well, but less interesting to me. 

The ATR is also (subjectively) ugly as heck and underpowered. 

Edited November 13, 20214 yr by Prpn

I wish Majestic would come out with a Q400 for MSFS. That was a great flying aircraft in P3D. 

 

38 minutes ago, Prpn said:

Energy management is more of a fun challenge on jets, most turbo props you can throw around quite easily and slow down easy thanks to two huge prop discs providing drag.

I like this argument. This is what I find interesting in military jets like the Gina that I fly these days. Now, for the 737, do you really do the management or does the automation guiding  the aircraft on a VNAV programmed trajectory do it for you (genuine question, no hidden irony 😉) ?

10 minutes ago, Dominique_K said:

 

I like this argument. This is what I find interesting in military jets like the Gina that I fly these days. Now, for the 737, do you really do the management or does the automation guiding  the aircraft on a VNAV programmed trajectory do it for you (genuine question, no hidden irony 😉) ?

I flew a Level D 767-400 on an Airline training center with a 17,000 check pilot. He told me to leave the auto throttle on, on approach, until flaring. He stated that the pilot would be too busy watching everything else, to be paying much attention to the power and airspeed. So all I had to do was adjust pitch, and direction, and the A/T did the rest. He also told me on final to make small heading corrections using the rudder, rather than ailerons. Less wing wagging that way, he stated.  Worked great. 

Edited November 13, 20214 yr by Bobsk8

For fun, I'd probably go for the ATR. You're going to be able to get into a good number more airports that the 737 can't which can lead to some interesting and absolutely stunning approaches. 

56 minutes ago, Prpn said:

Energy management is more of a fun challenge on jets, most turbo props you can throw around quite easily and slow down easy thanks to two huge prop discs providing drag. Can be fun as well, but less interesting to me. 

I do agree though this ^ is fair comment. 

I'm probably going to get both 😁

24 minutes ago, Dominique_K said:

 

I like this argument. This is what I find interesting in military jets like the Gina that I fly these days. Now, for the 737, do you really do the management or does the automation guiding  the aircraft on a VNAV programmed trajectory do it for you (genuine question, no hidden irony 😉) ?

You’re the pilot, up to you. If you are trying to mimic real world ops, VNAV and auto thrust will help out but have their own limits as well.

This thread needs a pic.

7 hours ago, Dominique_K said:

Now I see the airliners jocks laughing at me 😁 ! So let me explain.

Never been a great fan of airliners. Nothing wrong with them but with me, It is just not what I expect from a sim (short flights less than 75 minutes, hands on driving, not too much preparation as in programming a FMS etc.)   But I try from time to time...  

Now we have two short to medium haulers coming up,  the PMDG 737 and the Milviz ATR.  I am not overly interested by the 737 (never say never...) but intrigued by the ATR. These are obviously two different types of aircraft but when you look at the bottom line, what is the most fun to have ? I noted, for instance, that in a recent post a seasoned 747 pilot like @David Roch was very much looking forward to the ATR.

  

I will get both since I like airliner operations, from regional to long-haul. I have little experience on the ATR, but I think it is almost as automated as the A320 (Airbus is co-developer of the ATR IIRC). The 737 is quite a bit older and less automated, however needs a lot of FMS programming and flights are usually longer than 75 minutes. So I think the ATR will do for you.
I am quite sure, however, that the 737 will be a lot more study level and also complete, since Milviz tends to do early-access releases for MSFS.

8 hours ago, Dominique_K said:

Why do you go for the ATR ?

I generally like props more. 🙂

My fave aircraft in FS9 was

Aeroworx KingAir B200 / F1 ATR72-500

for FS X / P3D:

Majestic Q400 / Milviz B350i

(even though I own all complex airliners, they are also fun but too mundane in some way)

Edited November 13, 20214 yr by SAS443