16 hours ago, Bluescaster said:

Basically I've stayed with FS9 because there seemed to be too much tweeking and changing with the later MS offerings, albeit I could see the benefit of some of the advances but for the most part I wanted to fly the Sim, not fiddle with the program.

If you hate to spend a lot of time tweaking:
The good news is that MSFS has pretty good scenery out of the box, eliminating the necessity for addons. The aircraft are pretty decent for defaults, and a few are quite good actually.
Another good thing is that lots of addons can be installed easily from the built-in marketplace and if there are updates, they can be updated through the content manager in MSFS.

The bad thing is that before you know it, you find yourself tweaking again because "that mod makes the default 152 much more realistic". Tweaking is not neccesary though.

As with all previous sims it takes time for things to mature, bugs to be ironed out etcetera. The sim is very enjoyable though.

 

2 hours ago, orchestra_nl said:

The bad thing is that before you know it, you find yourself tweaking again

Been there, done that and swore not to do it again in MSFS. And, for the most part, I kept my promise to myself. I have not tweaked the sim and have not used any mods. I don't mean that tweaking or having mods are bad or anything just that with MSFS you can enjoy a sim, for the first time since ever, without tweaking it.  You need to tune the sliders to your hardware but don't have to dive your hands into the innards of the sim.

Now coping with the updates is another thing...

14 hours ago, Bert Pieke said:

IMHO, the negatives are being hyped here... there is a glass half full view of the world, as well as a glass half empty view.

The problem with this is that you can't fly half a sim because it lacks stability.  Rather than deal with the stability problems, MS/A keeps trying to add one "shiny new object" after another..viz Reno Air Races.

The beautiful scenery is of no use if you can't fly through it reliably...and this sim has never been reliable.   All the other major sims are much better at one thing...flying.

Something like FS9, P3D or XP11 are about flying--not troubleshooting.  It depends on how you want to spend your time.

37 minutes ago, TASCHMANN said:

The problem with this is that you can't fly half a sim because it lacks stability.  Rather than deal with the stability problems, MS/A keeps trying to add one "shiny new object" after another..viz Reno Air Races.

The beautiful scenery is of no use if you can't fly through it reliably...and this sim has never been reliable.   All the other major sims are much better at one thing...flying.

Something like FS9, P3D or XP11 are about flying--not troubleshooting.  It depends on how you want to spend your time.

Sorry to hear that the sim has not been reliable for you. For me, it is quite reliable. I spend about 99.99% of my time on the sim flying around doing what I want to do. If I run into any quirks, I just work around them until they are fixed.

I guess I'm not one of those that the littlest thing not quite right "breaks the immersion" (I chuckle every time I see that). I'm playing a flight simulator on a home PC. Not a 10 million dollar training simulator.

As always, your milage may vary.

...jim

 

.............Thanks guys, I'm still learning from your experiences and also really appreciated the diverse views. What does come through loud and clear is...... You are ALL enjoying the experience to a greater or lesser degree and if my previous form is any guide, I will be getting to grips with this new version sooner or later 🙂

I really will try to get back here and let you know when I do. In the meanwhile any further observations will be gratefully received........

 

Kind Regards,

Blue

1 hour ago, TASCHMANN said:

The problem with this is that you can't fly half a sim because it lacks stability.  Rather than deal with the stability problems, MS/A keeps trying to add one "shiny new object" after another..viz Reno Air Races.

The beautiful scenery is of no use if you can't fly through it reliably...and this sim has never been reliable.   All the other major sims are much better at one thing...flying.

Something like FS9, P3D or XP11 are about flying--not troubleshooting.  It depends on how you want to spend your time.

The monthly update plague is like finding a $10 bill on the street, and when you pick it up, you find out it has dog doo doo on the back. 🙄

Edited November 22, 20214 yr by Bobsk8

To the OP: MSFS has revolutionized flightsimming for sure, but it is not for everybody right now. If you have a good-to-excellent computer system, a good internet connection, and plenty of patience, go for it, because the reward is a fantastic, immersive flying experience. Otherwise, wait a while until the remaining kinks have been worked out.  

47 minutes ago, cobalt said:

To the OP: MSFS has revolutionized flightsimming for sure, but it is not for everybody right now. If you have a good-to-excellent computer system, a good internet connection, and plenty of patience, go for it, because the reward is a fantastic, immersive flying experience. Otherwise, wait a while until the remaining kinks have been worked out.  

If what you say is true how come I can run MSFS on my 6 year old rig with 8 gigs of system ram at all settings medium with about 25-29 fps without any major problems?

 

On 11/20/2021 at 2:55 PM, Bluescaster said:

I see there are 3 main choices at the outset as to how I buy the new Sim: Is it to be the Windows 10, Steam or this new 'Game Box'??!! ( I appreciate there are also 3 levels of program too but by default would normally opt for the 'Premier' or whatever level of program.)  If I opt to buy the Windows 10, is the Download reasonably painless through MicroSoft?  I'd be interested to hear your experiences please?

 

 

 

 

 

 

I'd recommend the Steam version if you decide to pull the trigger on this.  Aside from a few Steam setup files, the actual program download takes place within the simulator itself.

Edited November 23, 20214 yr by Isaiah53six

3 hours ago, cobalt said:

To the OP: MSFS has revolutionized flightsimming for sure, but it is not for everybody right now. If you have a good-to-excellent computer system, a good internet connection, and plenty of patience, go for it, because the reward is a fantastic, immersive flying experience. Otherwise, wait a while until the remaining kinks have been worked out.  

nope, dont wait 😄

Kinks ? Kinks will never be worked out, this is not the way MS drives the project. Philosophy is,  shove into their throat half baked stuff to keep their interest up and have articles and videos on Youtube all along  the life of the product.

But, in the other hand, as it is now and forecasting the numerous frustrating kinks that are to come in the months ahead, MSFS is still bringing me an awfully nice simming experience. The best so far in my simmer’s long life..

Good to excellent computer ? Look at my sig. The old jalopy of mine does a reasonably good job handling the sim at « high »  settings. The game is well optimized for lower end rigs. 

11 hours ago, Ricardo41 said:

If what you say is true how come I can run MSFS on my 6 year old rig with 8 gigs of system ram at all settings medium with about 25-29 fps without any major problems?

 

It's great to hear, but how does this contradict anything I said? I don't follow. You are running all settings medium, which will certainly improve performance, at the cost of some graphics quality.

Edited November 23, 20214 yr by cobalt

19 hours ago, Ricardo41 said:

If what you say is true how come I can run MSFS on my 6 year old rig with 8 gigs of system ram at all settings medium with about 25-29 fps without any major problems?

 

It's good that you're getting that kind've performance 25-29fps.  I have another computer system with 8 gigs ram and it barely boots into windows 10

On 11/23/2021 at 6:00 AM, Isaiah53six said:

I'd recommend the Steam version if you decide to pull the trigger on this.  Aside from a few Steam setup files, the actual program download takes place within the simulator itself.

Thanks Isaiah...... it's good to know what people find is working for them. What a great hobby we have here and all this help for the asking 🙂 

Kind Regards,

Blue

On 11/23/2021 at 2:06 AM, Dominique_K said:

Good to excellent computer ? Look at my sig. The old jalopy of mine does a reasonably good job handling the sim at « high »  settings. The game is well optimized for lower end rigs. 

By your own description of its performance, it appears that your computer falls into the "good" category. So where am I wrong?

Edited November 26, 20214 yr by cobalt

1 minute ago, cobalt said:

Doesn't your rig, by your own description, fit the category of "good to excellent" computer that I mentioned? In what respect am I wrong?

 Thats a way of saying things 😄 !