Jorg realized a few months ago that Asobo was in over their heads when it came to flight planning/navigation systems.  Enter Working Title to get things sorted for Microsoft.  I dare say we are now there with how weather is integrated into the sim.  My understanding is that Meteoblue only feeds the raw data, but it is up to Asobo to integrate this data into the game.

Proper weather integration I’m sure is complex and difficult, but SU7 has highlighted an almost comical regression of arguably one of the two marquee aspects of MSFS - weather, with the other being Bing satellite imagery.

For SU7 we have clouds that are too low (msl vs asl issue), instantaneous weather transitions, no overcast (stratus) cloud decks anymore, incorrect surface winds (magnetic vs true readings), and possibly others.  How this was green lighted to go live is beyond me.  I think it’s time Jorg considers bringing in another contractor who better understands the fundamentals of weather and can deliver the results that we are all looking for, similar to what was done with flight planning/navigation and Working Title.  In fact, even if Matt (WT) knew nothing about weather I’d still have more confidence in him than what we have now.

Perhaps I’m overreacting, but these bugs are so obvious that I got to believe something is seriously wrong with the development process as it currently stands.

15 minutes ago, Gilandred said:

Perhaps I’m overreacting, but these bugs are so obvious that I got to believe something is seriously wrong with the development process as it currently stands.

You are not and I agree....I vote to bring on the HiFi team.  This WX 'update' should not have been released....

I have hope that there's something wrong server side as I think it is remotely possible that we are currently only seeing the METAR side of the weather and the interpolation algorithm between the METAR stations filling in the rest, but the overlying forecast model data are missing. So I am willing to give them a few more days. If this is what they intended: déja vu! I was appalled by ASOBOs first "improvement" of the night lighting, and after only one year 🥴 it's pretty decent imho.

There were two major factors that blew me away when first using MSFS: the lighting and the weather. Although it was not perfect it was so advanced, and I still think the forecast model driven weather generation is the way to go. So I hope they'll get it right. But if there's developers out there capable of taking it on where ASOBO has started - let them come!

43 minutes ago, Gilandred said:

Perhaps I’m overreacting, but these bugs are so obvious that I got to believe something is seriously wrong with the development process as it currently stands.

The feedback on SU7 has been embarrassingly negative, I believe that next week they will start working on a hotfix, as they did for almost every major update. 

A fix could cure the clouds height and the overdone haze but if the sudden transitions are intrinsically due to the METAR engine, then it would be right to give us the opportunity to choose which engine to use and return to pre-SU7 status.

As for the outsourcing, I would agree if the feature then does not become payware. I was happy with the weather I had before, I didn't need it to match REAL weather, I am content with REAL-istic weather... and it's not realistic anymore. 

I wonder, if Asobo has to keep outsourcing all the things they don't seem to know about aviation and flight simming, if Microsoft is starting to second guess selecting Asobo to produce MSFS? 

7 minutes ago, Bobsk8 said:

I wonder, if Asobo has to keep outsourcing all the things they don't seem to know about aviation and flight simming, if Microsoft is starting to second guess selecting Asobo to produce MSFS? 

Without Asobo we wouldn’t even have MSFS, so I am grateful to them for that at least.  However, as time goes on, their limitations and/or understanding of fundamentals are becoming more of a hindrance than benefit.  I said in another thread that I believe this is a leadership issue.  If Asobo can’t deliver the goods, find someone who can.  A bit harsh perhaps, but that’s business.

Edited November 21, 20214 yr by Gilandred

The observations that Asobo lacks leadership or development are understandable, but these are our philosophical concerns and Asobo will ignore them as they should. Pragmatism would suggest that we do our job ... observe the problem. Report the problem. Let Asobo decide the best solution and issue a hot fix which they always do. I must confess however that them letting this huge weather bug leak out with SU7 makes one wonder how they do things. Who there or among the beta testing folk did not catch this one? Or they released is anyway as there was much other fixes to issue? I don't really care, I just want the weather fixed and move forward as usual.

United001

Just now, united001 said:

The observations that Asobo lacks leadership or development are understandable, but these are our philosophical concerns and Asobo will ignore them as they should. Pragmatism would suggest that we do our job ... observe the problem. Report the problem. Let Asobo decide the best solution and issue a hot fix which they always do. I must confess however that them letting this huge weather bug leak out with SU7 makes one wonder how they do things. Who there or among the beta testing folk did not catch this one? Or they released is anyway as there was much other fixes to issue? I don't really care, I just want the weather fixed and move forward as usual.

United001

I thought they fired the beta test team a week or two before they released SU7?

Just now, united001 said:

Who there or among the beta testing folk did not catch this one?

The did not have beta testers for this update.  I have to assume they are under pressure to release on certain dates.  They had beta testers for SU6 and it was the best update so far....

2 minutes ago, Flic1 said:

The did not have beta testers for this update.  I have to assume they are under pressure to release on certain dates.  They had beta testers for SU6 and it was the best update so far....

That’s a good point.  Maybe it’s more of a Microsoft issue putting unrealistic deadlines on Asobo.  Either way the consumer (us) suffers.

I'm sure asobo will fix this uncomfortable bug as soon as possible. Someone said on the msfs forum it will be fixed before Tuesday. (I hope it's true) 

Just landed at EDDB, and for the fourth time out of the last 4 landings on the ILS, I had to fly through a cloud at around 200 feet AGL prior to touchdown. 

1 minute ago, Flic1 said:

The did not have beta testers for this update.  I have to assume they are under pressure to release on certain dates.  They had beta testers for SU6 and it was the best update so far....

It has always been my observation even way, way back with FSX and those years that "hiring" beta testers among us simmers was a bit of a fool's errand. Many would take up the offer just to get their hands on the product in a beta state without any real ability to help the team actually beta test. Others I am sure did actually help. So why did Asobo not have beta testers for SU7? You're not going to catch me answering that. That just leaves the development team and their plates are full. So guess what? WE, the end users are the default beta testers. If we complain and issue reports properly, they respond. And there's a lot of us. And it works actually even after the fact.   

United001

I will say, this update has left me questioning what lies ahead for the platform. Is that really what it's gonna be like, do we have to start at absolute zero and once again claw our way up through the most basic problematics in order to shape the simulator? Are we really at a point, a year and 3 months post release that they have to rush out these laughably bad updates that completely screw up the very fundamentals with novice tier mistakes, only to spit out a manure bucket of content for people to buy, only to proudly label it "the Game of the Year patch" and we're left with collapsed building of problems that we have no idea how long are going to go on for, especially knowing they cut testing short only to get it out the door?

Maybe it's just the bitterness of age that is slowly descending on me in a quiet evening hour but you really don't feel a lot of respect for the craft with updates like this. And yes, I absolutely think they should outsource as much as possible, to developers who spent years or even decades building up the knowledge about these things. Use it, stop trying to learn it all from the ground up again. 

2 minutes ago, Gilandred said:

That’s a good point.  Maybe it’s more of a Microsoft issue putting unrealistic deadlines on Asobo.  Either way the consumer (us) suffers.

I rather think we are not suffering. We are participating (yes, even though we don't want to participate that way, we are). Suffering. Participating. Just words. 

United001