2 minutes ago, MrBitstFlyer said:

A regional jet should cost less than any other jet of comparable complexity?  Not sure I understand the logic there.

Regional jets are usually less complex than larger airliners systems-wise, so the idea of "comparable complexity" isn't exactly fitting. 

1 hour ago, abrams_tank said:

Based on the responses in this thread, there are a lot of “hard core” flight simmers that are priced out.

If a $20 difference in price changes their purchasing decision, I wouldn't call them hard core flight simmers 🙂

 

3 minutes ago, MrBitstFlyer said:

If a $20 difference in price changes their purchasing decision, I wouldn't call them hard core flight simmers 🙂

I really don't think disposable income has any bearing on anyone's validity as a core flight simmer. 

$20 may not be much for you, but I guarantee that there are a *lot* of people in general and in this hobby for whom $20 is a lot of money, and can *definitely* affect purchasing intention. To think otherwise, especially nowadays is, sorry to say, fairly myopic. 

Edited March 31, 20224 yr by Abriael

5 minutes ago, Abriael said:

Ah, my first sim. I smile every time I (rarely) hear someone talk about Psion's Flight Simulation. I was 6 when my father got me a Spectrum 48K with that. 😂

And people think MSFS takes a long time to load... 😂

Probably around 10mins + for 48k.

Pretty sure my cassette player chewed up the tape on my copy!

Just now, Abriael said:

I really don't think disposable income has any bearing on anyone's validity as a core flight simmer. 

$20 may not be much for you, but I guarantee that there are a *lot* of people in general and in this hobby for whom $20 is a lot of money, and can *definitely* affect purchasing intention. 

I think you missed the smiley in my post.

I’d happily pay $80 but my expectations would be high in return.  I’ll pay for the higher cost of a quality product.  However, If I get Aerosoft level of “fidelity” then I’ll be disappointed.  It’s nice to see JF releasing videos in advance so you know what you’re getting.  If you hear the words “I’m sure this will be fixed before release” be very, very skeptical.

Edited March 31, 20224 yr by Gilandred

1 minute ago, MrBitstFlyer said:

I think you missed the smiley in my post.

If the post was sarcastic or ironic, that smiley did not really convey it. 

2 minutes ago, Abriael said:

Regional jets are usually less complex than larger airliners systems-wise, so the idea of "comparable complexity" isn't exactly fitting. 

I am more referring to simulator complexity.  If an addon aircraft simulates all the systems of the real aircraft so that real procedures have to be followed, then I would deem the Just Flight 146 to be of comparable complexity to any other simulated aircraft - like PMDG 737 for example.

Take a look at Hot Start Challenger 650 for XPlane - $114!  It may not be an Airbus or Boeing, but is it certainly as complex a simulated aircraft you will likely ever see!  A price point of $80 seems appropriate for the complexity promised against the price of similarly complex aircraft.

17 minutes ago, MrBitstFlyer said:

I am more referring to simulator complexity.  If an addon aircraft simulates all the systems of the real aircraft so that real procedures have to be followed, then I would deem the Just Flight 146 to be of comparable complexity to any other simulated aircraft - like PMDG 737 for example.

Take a look at Hot Start Challenger 650 for XPlane - $114!  It may not be an Airbus or Boeing, but is it certainly as complex a simulated aircraft you will likely ever see!  A price point of $80 seems appropriate for the complexity promised against the price of similarly complex aircraft.

That can be seen from a different angle. Aircraft with lesser system complexity require less man hour of coding and research than aircraft with higher complexity simulated with similar level of precision, so it is reasonable to expect a regional jet to be more affordable. This on top of the fact that smaller aircraft require less modeling and texturing time than larger ones (unless they're made with a higher level of fidelity) and less work in terms of optimization to squeeze them into memory. 

Incidentally, as much as some like to shower the HS Challenger 650 with praise (deserved as it may be), it's a massively overpriced aircraft. There are no two ways around it. Pricing a single add-on twice as much as TWO full-fledged AAA games is not something I would categorize within the borders of sanity, and it's a relic of the crazy pricing rampup fruit of a decade of marginalization of the flight simulation market. The earlier this pricing methods go the way of the dodo, the better.

Edited March 31, 20224 yr by Abriael

25 minutes ago, Gilandred said:

If you hear the words “I’m sure this will be fixed before release” be very, very skeptical.

Exactly. I'll gladly pay $80 for a superior product that has very few issues out the gate. When I say issues, I'm talking about a mis-colored gauge, or a small texture issue on the throttles. Other than that, it better be flawless. If it's having issues capturing a glide slope, I'll be outright angry for that price. I will say, if the videos of a working FMS come out and that system looks complete, along with the previous videos released, it looks like a promising product and one that I will likely purchase on day one. 

Edited March 31, 20224 yr by Bdub22

Big fan of the 146, really want this one, however $80.00 just too rich for my blood, maybe someday if they have a sale.

9 hours ago, MrBitstFlyer said:

If a $20 difference in price changes their purchasing decision, I wouldn't call them hard core flight simmers 🙂

 

Almost everyone that posts here at Avsim is a "hard core" flight simmer. I don't think many casual flight simmers post here.

Also, you can be a millionaire and a car enthusiast.  As a millionaire, you are wealthy enough to buy several cars and if there is a new car that interests you, you may buy that too.  There is a new car that you are interested in, but the price is 25% above what you are willing to pay.  Even if you are a millionaire and a car enthusiast, you can't own every car that you are interested that comes out, if the price is not reasonable. You still got to pick and choose as a millionaire because you still have a budget after all.

Just now, abrams_tank said:

Almost everyone that posts here at Avsim is a "hard core" flight simmer. I don't think many casual flight simmers post here.

Also, you can be a millionaire and a car enthusiast.  As a millionaire, you are wealthy enough to buy several cars and if there is a new car that interests you, you may buy that too.  There is a new car that you are interested in, but the price is 25% above what you are willing to pay.  Even if you are a millionaire and a car enthusiast, you can't own every car that you are interested that comes out, if the price is not reasonable. You still got to pick and choose as a millionaire because you still have a budget after all.

I do appreciate the costs of addons - I was just joking about 'hard core' and that's why the smiley was there.  A couple of commented so apologies my remark was misunderstood.  For me personally I am a hopeless case and overspend on flightsim stuff 😁

Price tags in MFS have been in the "Lows"... 

We've seen the first "hardcore" / "study-level" aircraft being offered for spectacularly lower prices than they used to.

When inquired about this new price strategy some devs have pointed out that the amount of sales is higher in MFS, allowing them to use a different price from previous versions and P3D or even XP.

With the developments of the platform, more detail becomming available in the future to create aircraft with more sophisticated systems and aerodynamics, etc..., it was expected that this tendency of lower prices might change.

I believe some major 3pds are "testing the market", trying to bring it closer to pre-MFS values.

An aircraft built with enough detail on systems and aerodynamics, and allowing me to spend a good time learning will justify that I pay closer to pre-MFS values. Heck, I don't even want to remember how much I paid for the PMDG 777 when I transitioned from FSX to P3D 😕  - $130 !!! Wow !!! And I was actually buying it a 2nd time !!!

I think what people are missing with this whole thing about lowering prices for MSFS aircraft because the market is bigger, is that the higher fidelity aircraft will have the same effect it did with people in P3D and FSX, intimidate the casual crowd. So I think pricing higher fidelity aircraft at a higher price point or similar to P3D/FSX prices is totally valid.

But.. like mentioned before its more likely a test to see numbers with most devs atm. Simple planes no problem $15-20 flog em out like hotcakes. Higher fidelity might attract a few new people and make them take the plunge to learn the plane but... yeah probably not as many as we think. We have to remember flightsim is a niche in a niche lol or WAS... lets see what happens when the real deal like this 146 and the rest start coming out.  

Edited April 1, 20224 yr by Ridvan Celik