The question is.....how many of those "new" customers (who have been introduced to the world of flight simulation by this new version of Microsoft Flight Simulator) will actually want to purchase a detailed, study level aircraft? I suspect that JustFlight have considered this, and priced accordingly. In other words, they are not expecting a huge number of purchases from the FIFA/Call of Duty crowd.

The price is fine with me. It's cheaper than the cost of the same aircraft in my old sim X-Plane and is more advanced to boot.

Am I mistaken in getting the impression this is still months away?

2 hours ago, Christopher Low said:

The question is.....how many of those "new" customers (who have been introduced to the world of flight simulation by this new version of Microsoft Flight Simulator) will actually want to purchase a detailed, study level aircraft? I suspect that JustFlight have considered this, and priced accordingly. In other words, they are not expecting a huge number of purchases from the FIFA/Call of Duty crowd.

Identifying the new customers that approached flight simulation for the first time with MSFS with some "FIFA/Call of Duty" crowd is extremely fallacious and misleading. I see it done often, and this kind of thinly-veiled gatekeeping seriously needs to go away. 

Outside of flight simulation there are tons of gamers that are interested in complex simulation, and there are many popular simulation gamers out there with complexity that would make a lot of the most elitist among the flight simulation community rethink their overly-high opinion of themselves. Complexity and detail are in no shape or form a turnoff for a lot of gamers. As a matter of fact, it's the opposite. On the other hand, pricing higher than a full-fledged AAA game can definitely be a turnoff for them. 

I doubt they did, but if Just Flight priced the BAE assuming that new customers approaching flight simulation for the first time are a "FIFA/Call of Duty crowd," that'd be a miscalculation, and not a small one.

Incidentally, calling the BAE "Study level" may be a tad exaggerated, beyond the fact that the definition is nonsensical on its own. 

17 minutes ago, Sceadu said:

Am I mistaken in getting the impression this is still months away?

Yes. They said they're targeting the end of April.

2 hours ago, jarmstro said:

The price is fine with me. It's cheaper than the cost of the same aircraft in my old sim X-Plane and is more advanced to boot.

It's pricier.

Edited March 31, 20224 yr by Abriael

There is no "gate keeping" going on here. I am just trying to be realistic. Nevertheless, I am quite prepar3d to be proved wrong.

16 minutes ago, Christopher Low said:

There is no "gate keeping" going on here. I am just trying to be realistic. Nevertheless, I am quite prepar3d to be proved wrong.

Try playing games by Paradox Interactive, that sell in the millions, then come tell me that gamers have issues with complexity and detail. 

And that's a pretty mild example. The flight simulation community's insularity has certainly contributed to creating some rather large misconceptions about the gaming community outside of it. 

Edited March 31, 20224 yr by Abriael

1 hour ago, Abriael said:

It's pricier.

Oh yeah... It is a bit dearer. My bad. Hopefully it's better though and at least it isn't running on a sim with twenty year old graphics. I'm still a day one purchaser.

PMDG sold more copies of their DC-6 in it's first day of availability for MSFS (IIRC) than for all FSX/P3D/XPlane to that date ... so there is definitely an increased market 🙂

Whether I purchase the 146 or not, I think they have overpriced it, still, their decision

bad move.  lower price would increase volume. I was looking to pick it up but $80 is way too much for a Regional jet. I was expecting 60 or less. 

A few months ago, we were informed that Aerosoft and PMDG had sold their add-ons (CRJ and DC6) in so large quantities that there was no comparison with P3D and even FSX, hence they felt that their pricing structure would reflect this phenomenon and the much larger pool of potential clients, i.e. keep their pricing lower than P3D. But if this announcement by JustFlight regarding the BAE old jet is a sign of things to come with future complex add-ons, it evidently shows that they intend to win on both counts, quantity sold and average price, disregarding what the previous developers had done and encouraging them to follow!

I usually don't get involved in this kind of discussion, but I fear that if developers quietly go back to a P3D pricing structure, as far as I am concerned, I shall keep my still active copy of P3D with all my expensive PMDG, Leonardo, JustFlight, FSLabs etc, and shall not buy those that will be overpriced for MSFS (the BAE bird being one of them). As said repeatedly before by many simmers, flying tubes at 35'000 feet does not allow you to really admire the magnificent scenery MSFS offers. So whilst I immensely enjoy MSFS going low and slow, I won't entertain this sort of price jacking for new add-ons as complex they may be. JustFlight ought to rethink their market approach urgently.

Ok, as someone who hadn't touched flight simulator since one (Psion) arrived on my ZX Spectrum at the age of 14, until the release of msfs20. Since launch I have been gradually learning Sim aviation, started with the 152, 172, progressing to be quite proficient at operating the TBM mod, Caravan mod and Kodiak and am looking forward to progressing my aviation learning, I have bought quite a few other planes on the way including the Twotter and DC6, looking for alternative/more advanced aircraft to learn, however these have not really held my attention for 1 reason or another.I

I am really looking forward to the upcoming PMDG 737 in a view to my introduction to jets. I just cant get into the FBW and this has much to do with the fact the the airplane cockpit aesthetics and real world design bore me, sad I know, but I like my simulation experience to appeal to me visually and aurally, as well as deliver a good system depth experience.

I have become attracted to this Just flight product product after seeing some of the recent previews of this aircraft and having sampled the excellent Just flight Turbo Arrow. These previews really peaked my interest, in hoping to adopt this in my transition to larger jets and fmc, and this plane does look and sound good to me.

However, I was expecting this to be priced around £40 to £45, I guess that shows how not being involved in flight simming previously has clouded my opinion. The PmDG DC6 cost me around £50, I believe, and while a great plane, it did not inspire me to fly it so often, and I eventually came to terms with the cost of that (learned) experience.

At £40-£45 I would have snapped up this BAE 146, even in consideration that after a few flight it might also not inspire me to fly to learn more, however at £60+ I am now really on the fence as to whether I could really stomach that. Not a lot of difference in cost, but to me the gap is quite large for something which might or might not hold me long enough to extract the value from it personally.

At £30 or less i am quite content with supplemental products that are more aligned with entertainment value, I consider add-ons at £30-50 need to be reasonably high in educational value, and products priced at £50+ will need to be stellar in all areas, and as budget is limited, purchases will be be much less frequent and much more considered.

Hmmm, much thought required now over what was any easy buy...

 

Edited March 31, 20224 yr by Simple B

I agree with the majority of the comments here. Just by lowering the price by $20 or so, Just Flight could be tripling their sales of the BAe 146, and triple their revenue.  The demand curve is not linear for a product like this, the demand is concave.  Meaning lowering the price by $20 can lead to a huge increase in sales, such as a tripling of their sales.  The one thing about software like this is that you can sell as many copies as you like, there are no production costs to selling an extra piece of software digitally.  The main costs would be support costs of support staff if you sell extra digital copies of the software,

Based on the responses in this thread, there are a lot of “hard core” flight simmers that are priced out.  Most likely, a $20 reduction in the price would draw these people in to buy the BAe 146 but I guess it’s Just Flight’s decision to make.

Edited March 31, 20224 yr by abrams_tank

6 hours ago, Sceadu said:

Am I mistaken in getting the impression this is still months away?

Same...I really thought the 146 would be after the Concorde and before the Maddog.

Edited March 31, 20224 yr by blueshark747

2 hours ago, Simple B said:

Ok, as someone who hadn't touched flight simulator since one (Psion) arrived on my ZX Spectrum at the age of 14,

Ah, my first sim. I smile every time I (rarely) hear someone talk about Psion's Flight Simulation. I was 6 when my father got me a Spectrum 48K with that. 😂

And people think MSFS takes a long time to load... 😂

1 hour ago, blueshark747 said:

Same...I really thought the 146 would be after the Concorde and before the Maddog.

Again, they're targeting the end of April.

Edited March 31, 20224 yr by Abriael

2 hours ago, wiler said:

bad move.  lower price would increase volume. I was looking to pick it up but $80 is way too much for a Regional jet. I was expecting 60 or less. 

A regional jet should cost less than any other jet of comparable complexity?  Not sure I understand the logic there.