6 hours ago, LRBS said:

Unfortunately, there is nothing we can do.

With this update instead to tone down this known issue, they made it worse.

I'm afraid that Asobo is not capable to put out an update/fix without breaking something.

It gets to the point where many of us are wondering why to bother anymore with this platform unless there is a curiosity to see what they can break next and make it more frustrating.

Flew 3 flights yesterday after update. The turbulence felt real to me, and I have around 600hrs  in GA aircraft. 

14 minutes ago, Bobsk8 said:

Flew 3 flights yesterday after update. The turbulence felt real to me, and I have around 600hrs  in GA aircraft. 

I guess its all up to the individual. I would love a slider or some other switch in the sim that would let the user regulate the amount of turbulence.

My experience is pretty bad after the update but I will continue to experiment.

Thank You all for the replies.

BTW, before yesterdays update, there was always a slight/moderate amount of bounciness but it was always reasonable.

Now, it seems too exaggerated.

1 hour ago, Mace said:

If it makes you feel any better, I would clean up my own.  I would not leave it to the instructor, ha ha.

Don't you guys carry barf bags?

Well.. There are many people who say "no I don't need barf bag I'm ok". Sure! Right, Few steep turns, stalls and here we go! Doesn't happened often though. I do carry those for first few flight with client, but then we ditch them.

Also forgot to mention perception of turbulence is changing with experience. Nevertheless, 20 year later I still prefer smooth air and hate turbulence. Problem with all sims  they portray turbulence though lenses of camcorder placed on glareshield. Human perception is a bit different 

On the recent Q&A note what Jorg and Seb say about seasons and also turbulance specifically starting here: https://www.twitch.tv/videos/1468514324?t=00h42m31s

Basically: updrafts and downdrafts are based on ground temperature and then consequent impact on air temp.. now they are calculated correctly in SU9.  Less turbulance in mornings or eves, or winter, or over water.. lot of turbulance mid-afternoon, etc. So climate overall is more realistic now (note that world airflow visualizations are coming in SU10). They are considering options for user to turn off or control level of turbulance overriding this climate-based turbulance behaviour.
 

From what I can see, most IRL pilots seem to think SU9's simulation of turbulance to be realistic?

Also maybe fair to say those coming from P3D might consider MSFS's turbulance to be excessive given that they're used to the flying-on-rails feeling in P3D.

Edited April 27, 20224 yr by lwt1971

16 minutes ago, lwt1971 said:

 

From what I can see, most IRL pilots seem to think SU9's simulation of turbulance to be realistic?

 

I haven't done much flying since SU9 but my only flight  I did turbulence is fine. Slower lighter flyers like never moderate chop like jet guys. We more like a sailing ship rocking on waves, dropping wing here and there LOL

 

This youtube video someone posted in Cirrus at 5:13 had a good display of light to moderate turbulence and advantage of two point harness plus pudding at the top of headset 🙂

 

I like the new enhanced turbulence. It feels real to me, a lot better than before. At least in the CRJ and the C172, which I tried.

The effect also seems to be aircaft-dependant: The FBW A320 seems not to react to turbulence at all and still feels like flying on rails. I find the CRJ a lot more immersive than the FBW A320, even more now with the new turbulence effects.

Nevertheless I would also appreciate a slider for the turbulence, so users can adjust the effect to their liking.

 

Turbulence and bumpy rides are part of the game, if you want a "real" flight sim.

1 hour ago, Bobsk8 said:

Flew 3 flights yesterday after update. The turbulence felt real to me, and I have around 600hrs  in GA aircraft. 

I understand what you say.

Funny thing, even though we have proper training and try to follow the guidance from the authorities for in-flight reporting, sometimes flying in heavy crew configuration we might debate which category of turbulence might fit better. In the end, it is just a matter of interpretation and experience despite everything else.

Personally, I would like to see a slider from 0% to 100% option where each one of us can adjust this aircraft's behavior/reaction, in this way all of us will be happy.

 

51 minutes ago, lwt1971 said:

On the recent Q&A note what Jorg and Seb say about seasons and also turbulance specifically starting here: https://www.twitch.tv/videos/1468514324?t=00h42m31s

Basically: updrafts and downdrafts are based on ground temperature and then consequent impact on air temp.. now they are calculated correctly in SU9.  Less turbulance in mornings or eves, or winter, or over water.. lot of turbulance mid-afternoon, etc. So climate overall is more realistic now (note that world airflow visualizations are coming in SU10). They are considering options for user to turn off or control level of turbulance overriding this climate-based turbulance behaviour.
 

From what I can see, most IRL pilots seem to think SU9's simulation of turbulance to be realistic?

Also maybe fair to say those coming from P3D might consider MSFS's turbulance to be excessive given that they're used to the flying-on-rails feeling in P3D.

I can remember flying into airports in South Florida and when flying over a dark field or a sandy area, getting an attention grabbing sharp bump in a C 172. I used to warn first time passengers about it. A hot day in the summer with thermals, it was a roller coaster ride. 

Aside the fact the enhanced turbulence modelling being more real than before (which I tend to agree) it certainly contributes to motion sickness in VR. I never felt this for a long time, but recently started to feel unwell occasionally. Initially, I was just surprised but now I am inclined to ascibe it to the more bumpy ride.

Kind regards, Michael

 

@RALF9636, regardless of how accurate the turbulence effect is or not, I totally agree with you that the sliders in the custom weather settings should let you dial out the effect if you don’t want it. 

50 minutes ago, Bobsk8 said:

I can remember flying into airports in South Florida and when flying over a dark field or a sandy area, getting an attention grabbing sharp bump in a C 172. I used to warn first time passengers about it. A hot day in the summer with thermals, it was a roller coaster ride. 

Ok I fly GA in real world, the issue with SU9 is, it is constant, non stop.. As you describe in your post, it depends on where the thermal draft is, but there is not a constant thermal hitting you..

In addition you can predict the convection thermal coming.. The loss of altitude start slow, then you feel the bumps all over the place, when the thermal is gone.. Then it eases.. With SU9 is just on at full wack jerking the aircraft non stop with pretty much no periods at all of a smooth ride..

I climbed yesterday to 15,000 feet and was still bumpy.. Surely at that high over a total flat terrain the air should be much more smooth at least on my personal experience in real world flying around England.

I think it would be ideal to have a slider to adjust this, no point enabling a feature like this that can make people sick using the product..

S.

Just now, simbol said:

Ok I fly GA in real world, the issue with SU9 is, it is constant, non stop.. As you describe in your post, it depends on where the thermal draft is, but there is not a constant thermal hitting you..

In addition you can predict the convection thermal coming.. The loss of altitude start slow, then you feel the bumps all over the place, when the thermal is gone.. Then it eases.. With SU9 is just on at full wack jerking the aircraft non stop with pretty much no periods at all of a smooth ride..

I climbed yesterday to 15,000 feet and was still bumpy.. Surely at that high over a total flat terrain the air should be much more smooth at least on my personal experience in real world flying around England.

I think it would be ideal to have a slider to adjust this, no point enabling a feature like this that can make people sick using the product..

S.

That is on your system, right now I am flying the Kodiak approaching LFRS, and not experiencing any of what you are claiming. I flew about 3 hours last evening, after the update, and no issues at all. Just flew like an airplane. 

4 hours ago, Kevin_28 said:

Thanks for the link. Interesting back and forth you're having with Nijntje91. Would be a good idea to post a video of the turbulence you are getting, to see if it is out of the norm for him as well, because right now he says it is plausible (about as best as you can get without knowing all variables in the atmosphere).

The topic got closed before I could post a video, but since SU9 got out already it also became pointless..

I discussed this with other 3rd party developers that build GA airplanes and they also feel the same way I do.. But seeing feedback from others just like this topic, it appears some regions are more affected than others, and that some users are also more affected than others.

S.

1 minute ago, Bobsk8 said:

That is on your system, right now I am flying the Kodiak approaching LFRS, and not experiencing any of what you are claiming. I flew about 3 hours last evening, after the update, and no issues at all. Just flew like an airplane. 

Aircraft mass seems to be a factor, also if the airplane has CFD enabled.. 

S.