After installing the required updates, I set up a flight from KDAY to KCVG, in the stock cessna 172. What a bumpy ride! I deleted the wind layer when I set up the flight to NO avail. It was like I had real weather engaged. Tried several times and reboots, always the same bouncy, bumpy ride.

Any thoughts? Thanks

Unfortunately, there is nothing we can do.

With this update instead to tone down this known issue, they made it worse.

I'm afraid that Asobo is not capable to put out an update/fix without breaking something.

It gets to the point where many of us are wondering why to bother anymore with this platform unless there is a curiosity to see what they can break next and make it more frustrating.

I realized that behavior too in my first two flights since SU9. If it is a common issue, Asobo should provide a hotfix as soon as possible. Waiting another two or three months for the next regular SU would be very disappointing.

55 minutes ago, Nemo said:

 Asobo should provide a hotfix as soon as possible. Waiting another two or three months for the next regular SU would be very disappointing.

Absolutely correct, but how to go about it because they really don't care. Same issue as it is with t.o. and landing issues also related to wind reaction since day one.

I took the 172 G1000 out last night briefly for a buzz around after the update. I saw they updated the FM and wanted to give it a go. To be honest, I thought it felt quite close to the real aircraft. I have a couple of hundred hours in various 172's in the real world. I was flying with real world weather on and she was moving about a bit but it certainly didn't feel excessive to me. No more so than what I have experienced flying it on a warm day in Southern Africa. 

One thing I was not sure of was they mentioned the G1000 version getting the soft body update, I wasn't sure if it was just that one or all the 172 versions? I personally prefer to fly the old steam gauge version in the sim as I never had the opportunity to fly a G1000 equipped one in real life (far to expensive to rent one).  

 

I tried the Sedona landing challenge and for the first time EVER in simming was made nauseous from the screen bouncing all over the place with the turbulence.  This wasn't even VR and I am an avid Sim racer so motion sickness in flight sim has never ever been an issue.  Took a good hour or so for it to settle down afterwards.  

I have to agree with Antic.  I just flew over the mountains this morning KTYS-KAVL in the C-172 and just loved it.  Had a tailwind W-E and when I hit the E. side of the mountain started slowing down from terrain winds & updrafts and once I was on the W. side descending it was fun getting her to settle down from down drafts I suppose pretty cool.

      When I was younger and flew in Kansas a few times with pilots & flight training on summer afternoons and Kansas winds it would get quite bumpy but I absolutely loved it then. Actually felt like you got to fly the plane making small corrections instead of it dang near flying itself.

                                                                            Happy Landings,

                                                                                             JW

 

P.S. There is a reason why GA pilots like to fly in the early morning. Afternoons and heat build up can put you in the wash a bit.

Edited April 27, 20224 yr by jwhak

47 minutes ago, antic81 said:

 To be honest, I thought it felt quite close to the real aircraft. I have a couple of hundred hours in various 172's in the real world. I was flying with real world weather on and she was moving about a bit but it certainly didn't feel excessive to me. No more so than what I have experienced flying it on a warm day in Southern Africa. 

 

Exactly - this is what it is supposed to feel like. I think it's a great improvement. 

I'm afraid that we need some clarification on a few items here.

The initial post was related to an observation that @Simmer2308 deleted the wind in wx settings and the airplane was still bouncing around.

Also, it can be clearly noted that even if you delete any winds from the wx menu there is a constant wind change in direction and velocity every other 5 to 10 seconds. 

Another issue is that some people think that is ok while some reading and familiarization as to how turbulence is categorized is very important, how is reported and how actually the airplane is reacting to.

Light chop is defined as a slight, rapid, and somewhat rhythmic bumpiness. In your plane, not a lot changes, you don't experience any large deviations in altitude or attitude.

Light turbulence is a series of momentary, slightly erratic changes in your altitude or attitude. When you're in light turbulence, you might feel a slight strain against your seat belt or shoulder straps. Small unsecured objects might get dislodged in your plane. If you could, it would be easy to walk around the cabin with little or no difficulty (except for the fact if your in a GA airplane, you probably can't walk around anyway).

Moderate chop is similar to light chop, but it's more intense. Moderate chop has consistent bumps or jolts, with little to no change in altitude or attitude.

Severe Turbulence is where things start to get dicey. Severe turbulence consists of large, abrupt changes in altitude or attitude. Your aircraft may be temporarily out of control, and you'll be forced violently against your seat belt.

In extreme turbulence, your aircraft is violently tossed about and practically impossible to control. Extreme turbulence can cause structural damage or even break apart your airframe. 

And the last observation that I noticed on the 414 with steam gauges (which flies very nice and has excellent dynamics), after this update now shows the same exaggerated reaction, never experienced before as all the default airplanes.

Just took my first SU9 test run. I think they nailed the turbulence effect. My home area is under an AIRMET for low level turbulence. The sim mirrored pretty much the exact amount of bounce I got this morning IRL. For comparison, I moved to a spot in the sim that was not under the AIRMET and it was just light little movements just as I would expect.

To me, it is overdone and Asobo should implement a setting where people could enable, disable or allow them to adjust the amount of atmospheric convection intensity. VR people are experiencing motion sickness due to the constant jerking motion being applied to GA airplanes..

I also believe, the simulation of the conviction is not "natural", I fly a lot in england from EGKA, to EGKR and EGKR to fair oaks.. and i have never experienced such jerking movements in a C172 or the ikarus.. quiet honest the fly is mostly smooth until you hit a thermal, where you sink or go up, it is not like you get jerked around constantly non stop.

Spoke to a fellow pilot that also fly in the UK more than me, and also create flight models for MSFS this is his opinion of how conviction should be simulated:
 

Quote

The reality is much more fluid and gentle, initially sink on the outside of any convective thermal and that sometimes builds to quite heavy sink then you break through into the lift and, depending on the width / strength of the thermal you could be looking at only getting decent lift right in the middle. Tightening the turn on that and staying centred is an art form, but the whole area of the sky feels fluid, not short, sharp shocks.

Which is also how I feel my flights in real world, in the UK during summer when the sun is out..

My two cents.
S.

12 hours ago, Simmer2308 said:

After installing the required updates, I set up a flight from KDAY to KCVG, in the stock cessna 172. What a bumpy ride! I deleted the wind layer when I set up the flight to NO avail. It was like I had real weather engaged. Tried several times and reboots, always the same bouncy, bumpy ride.

Any thoughts? Thanks

it is the new weather conviction simulation, turbulence due to hot surface on the ground. I think it is a bit too much and I reported this prior to SU9 release: https://forums.flightsimulator.com/t/su9-turbulence-over-terrain-doesnt-feel-right-totally-overdone-must-be-a-bug/509570

S.

Thanks for the link. Interesting back and forth you're having with Nijntje91. Would be a good idea to post a video of the turbulence you are getting, to see if it is out of the norm for him as well, because right now he says it is plausible (about as best as you can get without knowing all variables in the atmosphere).

I fly in mountainous area of Southern California over 20 years. I've seen it all: thermals, mountain waves, wake turbulence and etc. Unless one flies only in smooth weather under clear sky he/she wont get exposed to all weather related turbulence aspects expect perhaps CAT or termals.

To me personally, turbulence in MSFS is just moderate version of RW as I know it. I have experienced 1000+ ft downdraft, inverted attitude and other unpleasant extreme things. I can tell you even pro pilot who predominately fly big iron often don't feel comfortable in light aircraft.  Light GA and LSA  are generally tossed like sh@t in turbulence. Dropping speed to Va and just riding a wave - is all we can do. As we say "try keep (airplane) attitude not altitude"

Feel sick of yeah this happens too! I usually got sick  cleaning airplane on the ground after my student got sick LOL Not pleasant memories ! LOL

15 minutes ago, sd_flyer said:

Feel sick of yeah this happens too! I usually got sick  cleaning airplane on the ground after my student got sick LOL Not pleasant memories ! LOL

If it makes you feel any better, I would clean up my own.  I would not leave it to the instructor, ha ha.

Don't you guys carry barf bags?