On 9/30/2022 at 11:56 PM, Ridvan Celik said:

Fenix uses the prosim software (mature software) plus enhancements from the brilliant folks at Fenix. Try again.

FSLabs is as stable. To me, the Fenix doesn't come even close. FSLabs seems way more steep in background. Try again.

On 9/30/2022 at 11:56 PM, Ridvan Celik said:

Fenix uses the prosim software (mature software) plus enhancements from the brilliant folks at Fenix. Try again.

Not to mention that I don't see any PSI logic when the knob switched to ignition... FSLabs definitely has more logic and way more background simulation than any other sim available out there...

1 hour ago, Vasgr said:

Not to mention that I don't see any PSI logic when the knob switched to ignition... FSLabs definitely has more logic and way more background simulation than any other sim available out there...

I personally wouldn't buy anything from that company. 

4 hours ago, Bobsk8 said:

I personally wouldn't buy anything from that company. 

Sorry to read that.

4 hours ago, Bobsk8 said:

I personally wouldn't buy anything from that company. 

I get the stance but their stuff is absolutely top notch. Either way, it will be good to have competition.

The fenix is really good but not at the standard of FSL yet !

7 hours ago, Bobsk8 said:

I personally wouldn't buy anything from that company. 

They got me with FSX and that was about it. No more.

43 minutes ago, sonny147 said:

The fenix is really good but not at the standard of FSL yet !

It is given its age. 

I am glad i have both. After the personal manual dark cockpit fix for SU10 i will use 319 and 321 in P3D and A320 MSFS.

GSX is still best integrated as well in P3D. Also love the remote MCDU and misses this badly in the Fenix.

I still have to adapt to the MSFS flight model as i found it difficult to fly visual approaches in almost every type.

Great times

Michael Moe 

I personally don't see how an FSL bus would be successful in MSFS given the current market, unless they use it as a sandbox to master the platform, which would make sense in some ways.  If they were to release the A320 for a very low entry price, say similar to the PMDG 737-600 that may be a path forward and they would of course make up additional revenue with releases of the A321 and A319.  This might work and lead them to the A330 and Concorde.  Knowing FSL they will go the opposite way and release at P3D prices and in 4 years when its all way too late and the party is over.

Edited October 8, 20223 yr by MarkW

40 minutes ago, MarkW said:

I personally don't see how an FSL bus would be successful in MSFS given the current market, unless they use it as a sandbox to master the platform, which would make sense in some ways.  If they were to release the A320 for a very low entry price, say similar to the PMDG 737-600 that may be a path forward and they would of course make up additional revenue with releases of the A321 and A319.  This might work and lead them to the A330 and Concorde.  Knowing FSL they will go the opposite way and release at P3D prices and in 4 years when its all way too late and the party is over.

I think Fenix will probably beat FSLabs to the first high fidelity A319 and A321 in MSFS.

1 hour ago, MarkW said:

I personally don't see how an FSL bus would be successful in MSFS given the current market, unless they use it as a sandbox to master the platform, which would make sense in some ways.  If they were to release the A320 for a very low entry price, say similar to the PMDG 737-600 that may be a path forward and they would of course make up additional revenue with releases of the A321 and A319.  This might work and lead them to the A330 and Concorde.  Knowing FSL they will go the opposite way and release at P3D prices and in 4 years when its all way too late and the party is over.

To be honest that is a result of their attitude towards MSFS. At the beginning of MSFS, they never acknowledged its existence and is something meant for "kids". Now when the ship has sailed, now they are like "ops, we should have gone with the MSFS wave". Honestly, I would just want to see new fresh developers like Fenix, FBW and WT. New blood, humble and open minded. 

5 minutes ago, omarsmak30 said:

To be honest that is a result of their attitude towards MSFS. At the beginning of MSFS, they never acknowledged its existence and is something meant for "kids". Now when the ship has sailed, now they are like "ops, we should have gone with the MSFS wave". Honestly, I would just want to see new fresh developers like Fenix, FBW and WT. New blood, humble and open minded. 

Wow, is this true? Does anybody have any links to where FSLabs staff said this?

Edited October 8, 20223 yr by abrams_tank

2 minutes ago, abrams_tank said:

Wow, is this true? Does anybody have any links to where FSLabs staff said this?

I meant whenever there is an update in their forum, here https://forums.flightsimlabs.com/index.php?/forum/19-announcements/ most of times they never mention MSFS in their roadmap (except for the last update), only P3D on their roadmap. The only time if I recall when they mentioned MSFS, when they said "yeah our friends at Asobo approached us about the SDK and we want need blah". 

2 minutes ago, omarsmak30 said:

I meant whenever there is an update in their forum, here https://forums.flightsimlabs.com/index.php?/forum/19-announcements/ most of times they never mention MSFS in their roadmap (except for the last update), only P3D on their roadmap. The only time if I recall when they mentioned MSFS, when they said "yeah our friends at Asobo approached us about the SDK and we want need blah". 

Ahh, okay, cool.  Thanks for the clarification. Yeah, FSLabs was silent about MSFS for the longest time.