6 minutes ago, jarmstro said:

Ray. I've no doubt that the developer is well intentioned and I'm not going to loose any sleep over it but the fact is that GSX costs a considerable £30 and it crashes a lot of peoples sim. If I bought a kettle and it constantly blew the circuit breaker in my house I'd complain and I would have little sympathy for Morphy Richards.

With the dozens of post that I have read just since this morning on three different sites, it is obvious to me that this add on was not beta tested very well.

4 minutes ago, Bobsk8 said:

With the dozens of post that I have read just since this morning on three different sites, it is obvious to me that this add on was not beta tested very well.

My personal view is that beta testers are chosen, to use a buzz phrase, with unconscious bias already built in. 

9 minutes ago, Bobsk8 said:

With the dozens of post that I have read just since this morning on three different sites, it is obvious to me that this add on was not beta tested very well.

You can't really go by that. We regularly deploy SW to over 46,000 units in the field. Hundreds of those terminals may develop issues, while 45,500+ will be fine. We call that a win. 

And THAT's deploying to identical units with identical SW loads and configuration. Just imagine the variety in MSFS user configurations.

Edited August 20, 20223 yr by MDFlier

Being a GSX user for P3D, I think it's a question of "setting" Certainly there are beugs and CTDs but I believe in the FSDT company. The people who are angry I understand their POV but be patient... 
I have been using GSX for years and it is a very good product, even the best in a flight simulator and I think that it is not by belittling the developer like this Youtuber did that it will help. He is working hard to provide a complex product in an early simulator. Especially that SimConnect has big flaws compared to P3D so try to give him a second chance. 

5 minutes ago, jarmstro said:

My personal view is that beta testers are chosen, to use a buzz phrase, with unconscious bias already built in. 

Sometimes, it's the devs boxing themselves in with "rules".

I reported an issue in one of the earlier MSFS betas. The response back was "was this in a default aircraft". I pointed out that my report stated I was in the FBW A320. They didn't want to listen. Later someone reported the same issue in the default A320 and they got right on it. 

2 minutes ago, MDFlier said:

Sometimes, it's the devs boxing themselves in with "rules".

I reported an issue in one of the earlier MSFS betas. The response back was "was this in a default aircraft". I pointed out that my report stated I was in the FBW A320. They didn't want to listen. Later someone reported the same issue in the default A320 and they got right on it. 

Well yeah, it's not Asobo's responsibility to fix issues with Third Party aircraft unless it also effects their first party stuff. If there's an issue with the sim effecting third party addons, it up to the developer to report that to them through their channels.

Unless it's a very big wide spread problem (like the first SU10 build breaking compatibility with FSX era models)

Edited August 20, 20223 yr by Tuskin38

7 hours ago, Sethos said:

No, it was a nostalgic kneejerk post, with rose tinted glasses from a time where the market was much worse off, thinking it was some happy, gleeful time of support, community and friendship. Back when, the markets were much smaller, products had much worse support, simulators were a lot more unstable and janky. People had to resort to forums and having to help each other to get this ballet of jank to actually play nice. Developers could engage because the user group consisted of just enough people to know them all on a first name basis. This is back when developers had egos the size of planets and the reason why most of the "old guard" flight sim addon makers keep coming across as arrogant and pretentious. Now, times have changed, markets have changed, there's a LOT more customers and there's actual expectations from products that come with a price that is sometimes as much as the simulator itself and the support. 

Gone are the days where people will bow and scrape over being served half-baked products and then spend days on forums to excuse it every step of the way. Gone are the days of people wanting to blindly buy the next mediocre product because the avenues of informing yourself have expanded so much, that you can quickly get a good feel of how the product is within hours of release, without having to drop your hard-earned money. Just in this thread alone we still have all the blind supports, who want everyone to simply buy the products, call it bad when people form an opinion based on videos or other posts, no no you simply have to drop money you sheep and wait for it to be fixed, give respect based on nothing!

Perfectly stated.  The market has changed and the legacy developers are going to learn that real quick.  

8 minutes ago, rjack1282 said:

Perfectly stated.  The market has changed and the legacy developers are going to learn that real quick.  

I agree, the half baked approach isn't going to work anymore. Sites like Facebook and Discord, will post problems an hour after a new product drops, and that is all many people need to see to avoid problems. 

Not everyone has these issues though, as I said, it's working perfectly fine for me.

Which means the developers are going to need specific info from everyone who does have issues to try and narrow down why it's happening to them and not others.

Instead of complaining, make bug reports.

Edited August 20, 20223 yr by Tuskin38

1 hour ago, Tuskin38 said:

Well yeah, it's not Asobo's responsibility to fix issues with Third Party aircraft unless it also effects their first party stuff. If there's an issue with the sim effecting third party addons, it up to the developer to report that to them through their channels.

Unless it's a very big wide spread problem (like the first SU10 build breaking compatibility with FSX era models)

Well... I would not have reported it if the issue wasn't absolutely NOT related to the aircraft I was flying. For that problem, it did not matter which airplane as the issue was an interface problem.

Edited August 20, 20223 yr by MDFlier

3 minutes ago, Tuskin38 said:

Not everyone has these issues though, as I said, it's working perfectly fine for me.

Which means the developers are going to need specific info from everyone who does have issues to try and narrow down why it's happening to them and not others.

Instead of complaining, make bug reports.

Where?

1 minute ago, jarmstro said:

Where?

The official FSDT forums, they're linked on the site.

http://www.fsdreamteam.com/forum/index.php/board,73.0.html

Edited August 20, 20223 yr by Tuskin38

1 minute ago, Tuskin38 said:

The official FSDT forums, they're linked on the site.

3 days waiting to be approved to there forum 

2 hours ago, steve 86 said:

just watched British Avgeek uninstall gsx pro on his live stream, its a pure flop 2x ctd 

Just saw it, that concludes to be a disaster release 😕 

13 minutes ago, Tuskin38 said:

The official FSDT forums, they're linked on the site.

http://www.fsdreamteam.com/forum/index.php/board,73.0.html

Interesting forum. I just took a quick look, numerous people are complaining about CTDs, and the developer keeps insisting  that the CTDs  aren't  a problem with GSX...   LOL..... So all the people that just installed GSX, and are now having CTDs which they were not having prior to the install, suddenly have developed  problems that are not related to GSX... 😁

Edited August 20, 20223 yr by Bobsk8