1 hour ago, rutra said:

I wonder why we still don't see Fenix and PMDG videos at heavy airports?

Once I’m up and running I’ll do this. Just delayed this end with lots of things so won’t be for another 1-2 weeks. 

Edited November 1, 20223 yr by Ianrivaldosmith

3 hours ago, Cpt_Piett said:

He does make some good points

and some very un-informed ones, he doesn't know what frame time is, he keeps referring to it as latency and thus mis-interprets what MSI Afterburner is displaying. MSI Afterburner does not display latency. latency is the delay between user input and a reaction on it in the game, while frame time is 1000/fps in milli seconds. linearly reciprocal of fps. example: at 50 fps, the frame time is 20 milli seconds. Nvidia claims the RTX 4090  cards will deliver framerates of 360+ with latency as low as 10ms in optimised games, these 10 ms are not related to frame times. No wonder even Intel confuses Metro Lake with Meteor Lake. 😀

https://overclock3d.net/reviews/gpu_displays/nvidia_geforce_rtx_4090_founders_edition_review/20

https://www.notebookcheck.net/RTX-4090-performs-astoundingly-in-Overwatch-2-in-official-Nvidia-benchmarks.660005.0.html

https://www.msi.com/support/technical_details/VGA_MSI_Utility_AfterBurner

Edited November 1, 20223 yr by turbomax

1 hour ago, Ianrivaldosmith said:

Once I’m up and running I’ll do this. Just delayed this end with lots of things so won’t be for another 1-2 weeks. 

I'm running a 13900k with a 4090 and just landed at KBOS using the PMDG 737 with atleast 20 aircraft on the ground (VATSIM) and was still managing 45fps with all ultra settings at 2k.

Edited November 1, 20223 yr by Keirtt

12 minutes ago, turbomax said:

and some very un-informed ones, he doesn't know what frame time is, he keeps referring to it as latency and thus mis-interprets what  MSI Afterburner is displaying.

I can’t disagree with this. Thanks for pointing it out. So he actually came to the wrong conclusion as he misinterpreted frame time for latency hence claimed latency was better with frame generation. He does know the art of sounding like he knows what he’s talking about. Be he could sell sand in Sahara if he tried too. 

But lower latency in MSFS is probably not a huge deal. Although knowing your stuff when making these type of videos kinda are.

Edited November 1, 20223 yr by Cpt_Piett

Question for the 4090 guys, do you run your cards in Performance / Standard mode, or Quiet / Silent mode?

I know the Silent mode is leaving a bit of performance on the table, but you usually get 95% of the performance and fans at 60% instead of 90%. 
I can't imagine it makes much of a difference if you're using DLSS3 / Frame Generation?

9 minutes ago, Cpt_Piett said:

hence claimed latency was better with frame generation.

while the opposite is true. Frame generation introduces latency, which Reflex  tries to reduce again. 😀

"He does know the art of sounding like he knows what he’s talking about"

well, to me he sounds rather like Santa Claus and like many other youtubers either doesn't understand the intricacies or doesn't take the time to read up on it, => Metro Lake.😀

Latency testing:

https://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/nvidia-geforce-rtx-4090-review/5

 

DLSS 3 Increases Latency | How fast is RTX 4000 without fake frames?

 

 

 

7 minutes ago, Republic3D said:

Question for the 4090 guys, do you run your cards in Performance / Standard mode, or Quiet / Silent mode?

You mean with the switch on the card itself? I haven’t changed it since I installed the card. I’m thinking it shouldn’t matter too much though, should be more than enough overhead. 

1 hour ago, Republic3D said:

Question for the 4090 guys, do you run your cards in Performance / Standard mode, or Quiet / Silent mode?

I know the Silent mode is leaving a bit of performance on the table, but you usually get 95% of the performance and fans at 60% instead of 90%. 
I can't imagine it makes much of a difference if you're using DLSS3 / Frame Generation?

I have it in Performance mode, that's how it came from the factory. I haven't tested how much of a difference it can make.
Actually, the GPU is hardly ever so hot or so compromised as to raise its fans to the maximum, so it goes unnoticed.

Thanks for your answers. Yep you probably have so much headroom right now it's not even pushing the card enough where there's a point to using Silent mode. 

Edited November 1, 20223 yr by Republic3D

Just got the new ATX 3.0 PSU that I ordered a few days ago. I wrote a mini-review in the screenshot section:

 

22 hours ago, Cpt_Piett said:

But lower latency in MSFS is probably not a huge deal. Although knowing your stuff when making these type of videos kinda are.

I'm not sure at what point latency would be an issue in a Flight Sim, it would vary depending on how "hyper-focused" the specific person was. 

It all stacks though, so any lower latency in the chain is better. For me, probably around 150ms response from controller input to video would be acceptable for a Flight Sim, though in other games most people would prefer less than 50ms as you probably already know. I know over 200ms is REALLY bad even for a flight sim, but 100-150 total isn't that bad (though you can notice a little).

I am too old and slow to tell any difference when it gets down to about 50ms though in any game, but I haven't played a shooter in years (unless you call RDR 2 a shooter), but this is the last I recall.

Edited November 2, 20223 yr by Alpine Scenery

22 minutes ago, Alpine Scenery said:

I'm not sure at what point latency would be an issue in a Flight Sim, it would vary depending on how "hyper-focused" the specific person was. 

It all stacks though, so any lower latency in the chain is better. For me, probably around 150ms response from controller input to video would be acceptable for a Flight Sim, though in other games most people would prefer less than 50ms as you probably already know. I know over 200ms is REALLY bad even for a flight sim, but 100-150 total isn't that bad (though you can notice a little).

I am too old and slow to tell any difference when it gets down to about 50ms though in any game, but I haven't played a shooter in years (unless you call RDR 2 a shooter), but this is the last I recall.

Agree with you. Those of us who have overcome a few years, perhaps we are missing some things. What we have today is something incredible compared to what we had to deal with in the first flight simulator. And not to mention the FSX, we spent 80% of the time making configurations to be able to optimize and 20% curing the fingers so that a CTD did not come.

2 minutes ago, elee said:

Agree with you. Those of us who have overcome a few years, perhaps we are missing some things. What we have today is something incredible compared to what we had to deal with in the first flight simulator. And not to mention the FSX, we spent 80% of the time making configurations to be able to optimize and 20% curing the fingers so that a CTD did not come.

I never did get all the CTD's to stop in FSX, not with Orbx stuff anyhow (but I rarely flew vanilla).
In the old days, everything longer than 20-30 minutes was when the CTD potential started.

Yah, MSFS is pretty amazing overall, just wish the ground textures looked like RDR 2 or Death Stranding 🙂
I accidentally left the Sim on for 3 days once, and no CTD.

Edited November 2, 20223 yr by Alpine Scenery

1 hour ago, Alpine Scenery said:

For me, probably around 150ms response from controller input to video would be acceptable for a Flight Sim, though in other games most people would prefer less than 50ms as you probably already know.

The only other game I play on a regular basis is CIV which absolutely does not require low latency. And it certainly does not require a 4090 either. 

Not using DLSS3 at the moment as I'm on SU10. I'll get a chance to test it more next Friday. 

Edited November 2, 20223 yr by Cpt_Piett

3 hours ago, Alpine Scenery said:

I'm not sure at what point latency would be an issue in a Flight Sim

the author of this youtube obviously neither, but elaborated on it. he confused it (and probably most of his viewers as well) with frame times.

 

Edited November 2, 20223 yr by turbomax