So my question pertains to how unstable GA aircraft become on final approach in the sim during real weather windy approaches (tail wagging and instability) due to how MSFS handles this.

I've heard some of you call it turbulence effects and others call it micro wind shifts.

I'd like to know, since FSUIPC seems to have no impact on weather in MSFS these days, is there any way for the user to adjust these wind shifts or amount of turb. (without turning off real weather and customizing it yourself of course)?

Edited February 5, 20233 yr by hangar

I'm seeing this with the jets.

Fenix actually got thrown off the ILS it was so bad. Then tried same app in PMDG, almost same, wild ride too but got it down. Would have been throwing up in the back.

It didn't strike me as unmanageble/abnormal wind. Maybe 12-15kts slightly off the right, gusty.

There will be a new setting for this in SU12, as some people don't like the behaviour since SU11. 
PMDG actually adjusted their B&£& flight modelling a bit to try to tone it down.

Personally I think the planes move around a little bit too much relative to the wind speed, so I will be turning it down a notch.
Some of it is due to the new thermals / turbulence modelling.  

Edited February 5, 20233 yr by bobcat999

1 minute ago, bobcat999 said:

There will be a new setting for this in SU12, as some people don't like it. 
Personally I think the planes move around a little bit too much relative to the wind speed, so I will be turning it down a notch.
Some of it is due to the new thermals / turbulence modelling.  

The new setting will be " On Rails Mode"    🤪

Just now, Bobsk8 said:

The new setting will be " On Rails Mode"    🤪

  No, people won't stand for that, it will just be adjustable. 

25 minutes ago, Bobsk8 said:

The new setting will be " On Rails Mode"    🤪

 Well, if "on rails" now means "14 gusting to 15 doesn't knock your plane around in the sky like Mike Tyson" then I guess I'm OK with "on rails."

 

1 hour ago, bobcat999 said:

There will be a new setting for this in SU12

Good to know, thank you Bob.

The turbulence issues are qualitative, more to do with it being modelled wrong (rotating the aircraft around the CoG instead of shifting it up/down/sideways) rather than quantitative with the amount being excessive. 

What compounds this is during the middle of the day it is far too common, and of course, the middle of the day is when most people choose to fly in-game.

 

   

Edited February 5, 20233 yr by Glenn Fitzpatrick

After flying "on rails" for all these years we just have to get used to realism. Whether the effect is exaggerated I can't say (not a real pilot) but after watching a few video's of light aircraft landing at mid-day it doesn't seem too bad. Agree that flightmodels could cause some aircraft to behave better than others.

What I don't like though is that even with tiedowns, parked aircraft still bounce around and even get blown all over the ramp. Don't know if that's a sim issue or perhaps the flightmodel should take these tiedowns into account.
 

The turbulence isn't always realistic though. Yesterday I was flying the TBM around the Caribbean in real weather. Scattered clouds at low level and 15kt crosswind at my altitude of FL230. The plane was snapping back and forth like I was flying in a hurricane. It was the first time I've seen turbulence that over the top, but I know others have been dealing with it a long time.

Yep, that happens all the time... but it's not the wind itself that causes the issue, but how the sim processes it within it's real weather mode and mixes it with other effects like wind gusts and directional change gusts that are out of hand as far as how it affects one's aircraft...especially the lighter GA stuff.

I'm not certain which is more at fault... how the real weather is being processed or how the airframes are reacting to it... but it needs to be adjustable with a 5 setting slider of sorts so you can tone it down by 0%, 25%, 50%, 75%, 100%.

5 hours ago, orchestra_nl said:

After flying "on rails" for all these years we just have to get used to realism. Whether the effect is exaggerated I can't say (not a real pilot) but after watching a few video's of light aircraft landing at mid-day it doesn't seem too bad.

It doesn't happen with every flight, but when the aircraft gets thrown around on approach like it's being hit with constant micro-bursts and the crosswind is in the 5-15 kt area, it's just not realistic. At all.

I did most of my RW flying in northern Illinois - our strip had tall trees on both sides so it was a little sheltered when approaching ground effect, but either approach put you in some pretty steady crosswinds with the wide open fields to the north and west.  Even on gusty days we didn't get thrown all over the place like FS is doing now.  The worst approach I ever had to handle personally was with a 45 kt. headwind in a 172 (if it hadn't been a headwind we wouldn't have been able to land).  Even with that wind, I wasn't thrown around like we have been recently in FS.

In my about 10 years of flying only twice did I get thrown around like that.  On a turboprop into a coastal airport on the edge of a thunderstorm and on an approach into Maine on an extra-gusty day - we diverted for safety.

Now, I will say that since the most recent update, something may have changed?  All of my flights have been fairly realistic with crosswinds/gusts and I haven't been experiencing the erratic behavior that was common before...

Yeah, things get really unstable on approach now.  I was gobsmacked to set zero wind, zero gusting, nothing at all in terms of wind yesterday, and still get chucked around insanely (especially on the pitch axis) coming into land in the Carenado V35.

Something ain't right.

Yep. Landing at St Bart's is particularly hairy ATM. 😉

5 hours ago, JYW said:

Yeah, things get really unstable on approach now.  I was gobsmacked to set zero wind, zero gusting, nothing at all in terms of wind yesterday, and still get chucked around insanely (especially on the pitch axis) coming into land in the Carenado V35.

 

It is akin to what they did to icing at one point, and lightening at another.  Please do not ask for aspects of the environment as it will arrive totally overbaked!  Just appears to be no understanding of aviation elements, just programming!