13 minutes ago, Sky_Pilot071 said:

Best to assume that it is a hardware problem at this point.  One of the fun ones to figure out.  😉

sp

I'm sorry sp. I don't see the logic in this.  Remember, I had this problem last July, it was also reproducible then as is now, I simply told the Steam overlay to not run and it went away till two days ago.

One would surmise that if it was a hardware problem it would persist.

I spent my life repairing and installing the most advanced and complicated passenger jet avionics systems and loved troubleshooting intermittent problems.  However, we had tools for this.  The tools for troubleshooting this problem seem rather limited and have a very steep learning curve for me as I wasn't formally trained on using either task Manager or ProcMon.

 

Fellas.  It's been a long two days without sleep and busting my brains trying to fix this, let alone the frustration that things were flawless.  I suspect the latest Steam or MSFS update.

I just wanted to let you all know I appreciate your help, more than you'll ever know.

I'm tired, so if I don't reply to any potential ideas it's because I'm heading to bed.

Thank you and take care.

jack

25 minutes ago, Jack_Sawyer said:

 

I'm sorry sp. I don't see the logic in this.  Remember, I had this problem last July, it was also reproducible then as is now,

 

Exactly the point.  You hit the nail on the head.

sp

10 minutes ago, Jack_Sawyer said:

Fellas.  It's been a long two days without sleep and busting my brains trying to fix this, let alone the frustration that things were flawless.  I suspect the latest Steam or MSFS update.

I just wanted to let you all know I appreciate your help, more than you'll ever know.

I'm tired, so if I don't reply to any potential ideas it's because I'm heading to bed.

Thank you and take care.

jack

We know that feeling, Jack. Good night.

12 hours ago, Sky_Pilot071 said:

Exactly the point.  You hit the nail on the head.

sp

How?  Please explain.

12 hours ago, Paul K said:

We know that feeling, Jack. Good night.

Very much appreciated Paul, thank you.

On 2/7/2023 at 11:38 AM, Jack_Sawyer said:

I'm at the point where I would gladly pay a substantial amount of US $ to anyone who could solve this for me as I'm worn out and frustrated

Stop beating your head against a wall and simply bite the bullet and completely wipe your hard drive, reformat it and reinstall a fresh copy of Windows OS and start from scratch.

3 minutes ago, hangar said:

Stop beating your head against a wall and simply bite the bullet and completely wipe your hard drive, reformat it and reinstall a fresh copy of Windows OS and start from scratch.

And if it happens again?  What then?  There's extensive reports on MSFS's forum of many other people experiencing this exact issue.  So I'll ask again, full wipe and reinstall and same problem, what then?

Before I was to undertake such a measure wouldn't it be fruitful to be able to actually see what is causing it as something is causing this.  The problem is not having good enough tools to capture the exact mechanism of this pause.

3 minutes ago, Jack_Sawyer said:

And if it happens again?  What then?  There's extensive reports on MSFS's forum of many other people experiencing this exact issue.  So I'll ask again, full wipe and reinstall and same problem, what then?

Before I was to undertake such a measure wouldn't it be fruitful to be able to actually see what is causing it as something is causing this.  The problem is not having good enough tools to capture the exact mechanism of this pause.

It's entirely up to you as to how much more time you'd like to spend hunting down the cause, so I suppose it becomes an issue of how much is your potentially wasted time worth, in the end.

If you've already exhausted every option of testing that you know of... and you've already tried reinstalling new video drivers, removing everything in the community folder, reinstalling the game, etc...and still nothing is working... and you're satisfied it's not a hardware issue like bad memory, or heat buildup in your case, or an old graphics card going bad, etc...then there's not too many options left for you at that point.

Wasted?  Your definition, not mine sir.  

This problem was solved by simply not allowing Steam to run its overlay.

Steam and MSFS were updated and it reappeared so logically, to me anyway, it follows that it could possibly be Steam or Asobo related. It would be enormously helpful to actually see it happen.

Again, I'll ask what you seemingly refuse to answer, if there's a complete, 100% wipe of the entire PC and reinstall and it happens again, what then?

26 minutes ago, Jack_Sawyer said:

Wasted?  Your definition, not mine sir.  

This problem was solved by simply not allowing Steam to run its overlay.

Steam and MSFS were updated and it reappeared so logically, to me anyway, it follows that it could possibly be Steam or Asobo related. It would be enormously helpful to actually see it happen.

Again, I'll ask what you seemingly refuse to answer, if there's a complete, 100% wipe of the entire PC and reinstall and it happens again, what then?

I know you THINK Steam overlay was your issue at the time but the fact that you're here today only proves that it was not in fact the true cause. Besides, I could have told you that before today because I and others have steam overlay active within the sim without any issue. The overlay itself should not be an issue.

IMO, you're worrying too much about "what happens if it doesn't work". The way you solve things is actually by trying as many things as you can until it DOES work. If it was me, and I was satisfied that I had no hardware issue or driver issue then I'd get rid of all my addons and reinstall the game...if that didn't work id be sure to test other games to make certain that this issue was only affecting MSFS. Then at that point id reinstall windows after wiping my drive.

One thing is for sure, if it still doesnt work after wiping the drive and starting from scratch with a vanilla install of Windows AND a vanilla sim with no addons then it has to be a hardware issue. If it DOES work then you know it was some software issue or setting you made which caused it.

Edited February 9, 20233 yr by hangar

4 minutes ago, hangar said:

I know you THINK Steam overlay was your issue at the time but the fact that you're here today only proves that it was not in fact the true cause. Besides, I could have told you that before today because I and others have steam overlay active within the sim without any issue. The overlay itself should not be an issue.

IMO, you're worrying too much about "what happens if it doesn't work". The way you solve things is actually by trying as many things as you can until it DOES work. If it was me, and I was satisfied that I had no hardware issue or driver issue then I'd get rid of all my addons and reinstall the game...if that didn't work id be sure to test other games to make certain that this issue was only affecting MSFS. Then at that point id reinstall windows after wiping my drive.

Think?  Why is it then that when I reenabled it the pause came back? This was how I was trained to troubleshoot large passenger jet avionics systems.  Duplicate, fix, and see if you can re-duplicate.

I did test other games, Skyrim for one, and yes, I know it uses less cores so it's not a good comparison.

I'll reiterate, I know there's a known and very reproducible problem here with the 60 second pause.  Something is causing it, it's a matter of what is causing it.  As I indicated before, the toolset available to troubleshoot and capture the instance of it happening seem very limited.  There must be a way to capture exactly what is causing it.

I get it, you want me to wipe everything and start again.  I really get that.  However, I'm not convinced it will be 100% effective.  I'm not averse to doing it, I just want to be able to discover the exact mechanism of what's causing it.

Would you like a very detailed list of the steps I have taken to eliminate this problem?  It would be several pages long. I'd be more than willing to provide it.

Right, sounds to me like you just really enjoy tinkering and figuring instead of just solving... I get it. You want to understand what went wrong instead of simply getting rid of it.

That's fine... I just thought you wanted to be up and running and rid of the issue as quickly as possible after all this time and energy you've already spent on it without any luck.

But as I said, it's a matter of how much your time is worth to you and how you prefer to spend that time.

Have fun hunting it down 🙂

 

Just now, hangar said:

Right, sounds to me like you just really enjoy tinkering and figuring instead of just solving... I get it. You want to understand what went wrong instead of simply getting rid of it.

That's fine... I just thought you wanted to be up and running and rid of the issue as quickly as possible after all this time and energy you've already spent on it without any luck.

But as I said, it's a matter of how much your time is worth to you and how you prefer to spend that time.

Have fun hunting it down 🙂

 

https://forums.flightsimulator.com/t/famous-60-second-stutter-all-over-again-bush-flight-only/489318

1 minute ago, hangar said:

Right, sounds to me like you just really enjoy tinkering and figuring instead of just solving... I get it. You want to understand what went wrong instead of simply getting rid of it.

That's fine... I just thought you wanted to be up and running and rid of the issue as quickly as possible after all this time and energy you've already spent on it without any luck.

But as I said, it's a matter of how much your time is worth to you and how you prefer to spend that time.

Have fun hunting it down 🙂

 

"instead of simply getting rid of it."

What could you possibly mean by this statement?  Isn't it apparent that this long thread with many responses from many people who have been extremely helpful is indicative of my desire to get rid of it?

I'm retired, I have plenty of time sir.

I see absolutely nothing wrong with fixing it and understanding it if for no other reason than to help others if they encounter this problem of which MSFS's site is full of posts about this issue, it would seem I'm not alone in this.  If I were alone then that would be a different matter, something aberrant in my PC, but this can't be the case, witness all the reports there.