1 minute ago, B777ER said:

Using GSync? 4k? HDR? GSync is very good at overcoming the lag and stutter issue. But with OLED screens, causes flickering at night.

Sorry, I should have included that information. Yes, using GSync on a 1440P display with HDR turned OFF and running at 144Hz refresh on my display. I keep frames locked at 83. I have Inibuilds KLAX and EGLL and I don't have issues there at all. Sorry, but that is just how it is for me. I have no GSync flickering on my display, day or night. 

19 minutes ago, ryanbatc said:

I "only" have the 4080 and this has been my experience as well.  I wouldn't dream of going back to dx11 even with a few background image bleed throughs.  Flying into a payware airport with fsltl traffic, a payware aircraft and thicccc weather above 60 fps?!  Yes please haha.

Most airports I get the same as you. For some reason, all of iniBuilds airports suffer with HD textures selected with lag and stutters when not using GSync. Their KSAT is unflyable in DX12.

3 minutes ago, sniper31 said:

Sorry, I should have included that information. Yes, using GSync on a 1440P display with HDR turned OFF and running at 144Hz refresh on my display. I keep frames locked at 83. I have Inibuilds KLAX and EGLL and I don't have issues there at all. Sorry, but that is just how it is for me. I have no GSync flickering on my display, day or night. 

Ya, GSync works really good on non OLED screens. Assuming you don’t use an OLED GSync compatible TV? I’m on a LG C1 OLED and the flickering at night is not sustainable for my mental health!

Edited May 22, 20233 yr by B777ER

1 hour ago, B777ER said:

Ya, GSync works really good on non OLED screens. Assuming you don’t use an OLED GSync compatible TV? I’m on a LG C1 OLED and the flickering at night is not sustainable for my mental health!

Nope, not an OLED TV. I use an LG 32in GSYNC gaming display. And, I need to correct myself...the refresh rate is 165Hz, which is why I have my frames locked at 83 (through Nvidia control panel). I have heard about the flickering, but thankfully I don't experience that on the display I have. Between all the various PC tech hardware options, video card settings, MSFS settings and display/TV/monitor options, dialing in one's specific settings to get things to work for specifically for your situation is always such a challenge. 

5 hours ago, mmcmah said:

Frame generation only works with DX12. It works with either DLSS or TAA.

Better yet; use DLAA

3 hours ago, sniper31 said:

Sorry, I should have included that information. Yes, using GSync on a 1440P display with HDR turned OFF and running at 144Hz refresh on my display. I keep frames locked at 83. I have Inibuilds KLAX and EGLL and I don't have issues there at all. Sorry, but that is just how it is for me. I have no GSync flickering on my display, day or night. 

My experience is the same with a 4090. I have it locked at 60fps even though it's a 144Hz sxreen and it's super smooth. Even the iniBuilds sceneries with heavy PSXT/RT traffic maintain the 60fps. I find that turning the options on/off on the airports only make a handful of fps differences.

@Sethos what's the benefit of DLAA?

If it performs well, just fly and enjoy, and don't get caught up in DX11 or 12. This discussion will never end and I don't think there a great deal of difference, if any.

4 hours ago, mmcmah said:

@Sethos what's the benefit of DLAA?

DLAA is basically DLSS without the upscaling portion, the part that makes the image go slightly soft and fuzzy. So you get all the AI benefits of cleaning up the image, making it really crisp at native resolution. Also does away with many of TAA's drawbacks, like the ghosting.

People owe it to themselves to give DLAA a try. The result is excellent.

1 hour ago, Sethos said:

DLAA is basically DLSS without the upscaling portion, the part that makes the image go slightly soft and fuzzy. So you get all the AI benefits of cleaning up the image, making it really crisp at native resolution. Also does away with many of TAA's drawbacks, like the ghosting.

People owe it to themselves to give DLAA a try. The result is excellent.

Sorry, but no. DLAA is awful, it's almost like having no AA at all, lamp posts shimmering and so on. I'm running at 1080p though, you are probably using 4k and don't notice that as much as I do. DLSS is much better.

10 hours ago, B777ER said:

Ya, GSync works really good on non OLED screens. Assuming you don’t use an OLED GSync compatible TV? I’m on a LG C1 OLED and the flickering at night is not sustainable for my mental health!

LGC2 here, no problems with Gsync. Works perfectly. Also no flickering at night. 4080/13900K, DLAA, 4K.

2 hours ago, Alvega said:

Sorry, but no. DLAA is awful, it's almost like having no AA at all, lamp posts shimmering and so on. I'm running at 1080p though, you are probably using 4k and don't notice that as much as I do. DLSS is much better.

Then guaranteed you selected the wrong one. You picked the standalone option, which isn't the AI driven one, to my knowledge. You need to select it under 'Anti-Aliasing: Nvidia DLSS Super Resolution' and then cycle past the DLSS ones until you get to DLAA.

DLAA does the same thing as DLSS, just without the upscaling part, thus it'll retain native resolution and still see all the exact same AI enhancement benefits but without the performance boost. It's hands down the best AA solution in MSFS outside of throwing straight resolution at it.

Edited May 23, 20233 yr by Sethos

6 hours ago, Sethos said:

Then guaranteed you selected the wrong one. You picked the standalone option, which isn't the AI driven one, to my knowledge. You need to select it under 'Anti-Aliasing: Nvidia DLSS Super Resolution' and then cycle past the DLSS ones until you get to DLAA.

DLAA does the same thing as DLSS, just without the upscaling part, thus it'll retain native resolution and still see all the exact same AI enhancement benefits but without the performance boost. It's hands down the best AA solution in MSFS outside of throwing straight resolution at it.

You were right. The one I tried was the standalone, didn't know there was another one under DLSS Super Resolution. I was using Quality but just tried DLAA and it is indeed better. Thanks for the tip. 👍

7 hours ago, Sethos said:

Then guaranteed you selected the wrong one. You picked the standalone option, which isn't the AI driven one, to my knowledge. You need to select it under 'Anti-Aliasing: Nvidia DLSS Super Resolution' and then cycle past the DLSS ones until you get to DLAA.

DLAA does the same thing as DLSS, just without the upscaling part, thus it'll retain native resolution and still see all the exact same AI enhancement benefits but without the performance boost. It's hands down the best AA solution in MSFS outside of throwing straight resolution at it.

You are absolutely correct that DLAA is better than DLSS! Thank you!!

One question - with DLSS, I was using the NVIDIA control panel to upsample the image. Do I no longer need that with DLAA (using 1.78x DL scaling on the DSR Factors option with a native 4k resolution)?

8 hours ago, Sethos said:

Then guaranteed you selected the wrong one. You picked the standalone option, which isn't the AI driven one, to my knowledge. You need to select it under 'Anti-Aliasing: Nvidia DLSS Super Resolution' and then cycle past the DLSS ones until you get to DLAA.

DLAA does the same thing as DLSS, just without the upscaling part, thus it'll retain native resolution and still see all the exact same AI enhancement benefits but without the performance boost. It's hands down the best AA solution in MSFS outside of throwing straight resolution at it.

So set DLSS-DLAA instead of the standalone TAA is what you’re saying? And you won’t get ghosting on glass panels? TAA doesn’t have the ghosting on glass panels. I hope you’re correct as I would assume DLSS-DLAA would be easier on the GPU.

I tried DLSS-DLAA with the native NVIDIA upscaling and it looked better than TAA (and easier on the frames). I then tried the same without upscaling and it looked about the same as DLSS Quality with native upscaling (which is better than DLSS Quality without upscaling).

With TAA I get shimmering in DX12. I tried going back to DX11, but the frames and stutters were too bad. I think DLSS-DLAA with 1.78x DL scaling through the NCP will be a good option to try. I didn't try it with a glass panel plane, but I will try it with the Fenix when I get the chance.