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FSX-SP2 Details post should be next Monday or Tuesday

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Hopefully the extra time needed means that more features are in the release than out. Also, hopefully they are taking their time to make sure this release is solid. Looking forward to hearing more.

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No, this does not mean any extra features made it in. This just means that is when I am able to go public.

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I thought what was in and was was out was decided months ago. There again, if that was the case then I suppose we would have been told what was in and what was out months ago.

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Correct, the original targets were decided months ago.What actually made it in from the original targets was decided in the last 4 weeks, as the saying goes "no battle plan survives contact with the enemy". It should be no surprise that the plan is just that, a plan. And that you don't get all that you plan for. Plans have estimates, any new work is just that and cannot be accurately estimated. You plan, you work at it, and you adjust. That is just life in software development. Its a rare release where you get everything.We got most of what we aimed at, I would say there are 2 fixes I would have liked in the DX9 path that we didnt get and 2 rendering features I would have liked in the DX10 path that we didnt get. And yes I will point out what we didnt get that I would have liked to when I make the disclosure post. Even without those 4, its still a good release. I'd also like to point out this is the 2nd update for RTM, and we initially didnt plan on any DX9 features. So that in itself is an upgrade of SP2.The release of information is complicated by the fact that SP2 is in Acceleration and Acceleration is payware. I apologize for that, as I didnt anticipate that being an issue back in August and I now realize I mis-set expectations then.

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Thanks for the information Phil. I know you have mentioned that the intended release for SP2 is by winter. Do you think we will have a more definative release timeframe (not an exact release date, but a tighter time range) in your post next week?Also, I am glad to hear that not too many features were de-scoped. I guess that is what I was trying to get at in my earlier post. I have had releases in my work where we have dropped more than 50% of the features that were originally scoped.Thanks again.

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Wait a minute, did Phil just say we are going to have to pay for sp2?

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The last sentence left me confused. If SP2 is in Acceleration and Acceleration is due within the next month, then why would the stand alone version of SP2 not be due till the winter? Or have I got the time frames wrong?Jim

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>Wait a minute, did Phil just say we are going to have to pay>for sp2?The comment did make me wonder too.

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SP2 will be a free update. The confusion will arise from the fact that Acceleration includes the SP2 bits, and will come out before SP2 becomes available. Our release schedule doesn't allow for them to both come out at the same time, unfortunately.

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He said SP2 is INCLUDED with Acceleration. He has already stated SP2 is around a 100mb download. EDIT: Oops, too slow on the draw. lol

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>SP2 will be a free update. The confusion will arise from the>fact that Acceleration includes the SP2 bits, and will come>out before SP2 becomes available. Our release schedule>doesn't allow for them to both come out at the same time,>unfortunately.So if you want SP2 sooner then get Acceleration but if not get it free?

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Acceleration and SP2 are 2 separate sets of bits out of 2 separate source trees, with 2 separate setups, so 2 separate test passes are required.and we are probably going to have a separate beta for SP2 to make sure we didnt miss an integration/bug fix out of the Acceleration tree and into the SP2 tree, as well as beta the SP2 setup.so that is why there is a delay.

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Are we going to have to install the newer sp2 over the Excelleration sp2 to make sure we got all the features? Or are both sp2's the same?

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>That's called marketing. If you want the patch soon, then>pay for it with Acceleration. Once the sales of Acceleration>have diminished, then they will release it for free download. >It's an angle to increase revenue, but I don't agree with it.>>CurtCurt - no insult intended but that's just pure BS and you should know better.Sheesh!Q6600 G0 CPU 2.4 o/c 3.6Evga 680i A1 with P30 BIOS 2G XP2-8500 DDR2 1066FSB Mushkin 996535 RAM 5-5-4-12-2T320G 7200 HD partitioined for XP/Vista/Programs 2 - 74G Raptors in RAID0 500G 7200 HD for backup SATA DVD burner Evga 8800GTS 640 PCIx Kandalf LCS case w/ built in liquid cooling 850W Thermaltake power supplyVisit the Virtual Pilot's Centerwww.flightadventures.comRadar Contact Supporter: http://www.jdtllc.com/

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>Acceleration and SP2 are 2 separate sets of bits out of 2>separate source trees, with 2 separate setups, so 2 separate>test passes are required.>>and we are probably going to have a separate beta for SP2 to>make sure we didnt miss an integration/bug fix out of the>Acceleration tree and into the SP2 tree, as well as beta the>SP2 setup.>>so that is why there is a delay.Psssht... And I thought software cooking wasn't that complicated. :) Thank you for the update Phil; I really appreciate your participation on AVSIM.Bob..

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Let's see if I understand then. The fixes or updates that SP2 contains are integrated within the Acceleration install and are not yet available as a stand alone install?And I know this might be asked later so does installing Acceleration negate the need to download and install the SP2 free download when it arrives?Ian.

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Thanks for supplying these details Phil, now you have us totally confused.Rod.

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If you buy Acceleration, you will not need to install SP2 as it is already in Acceleration. I believe setup will tell you that.

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Phil,Thanks for taking the time to visit the AVSIM forums...Any of you from ACES studio are always welcome to talk anything FS here.Just no politics or religion.RhettAMD 3700+ (@2585 mhz), eVGA 7800GT 256 (Guru3D 93.71), ASUS A8N-E, PC Power 510 SLI, 2gb Corsair XMS 3-3-3-8 (1T), WD 150 gig 10000rpm Raptor, WD 250gig 7200rpm SATA2, Seagate 120gb 5400 rpm external HD, CoolerMaster Praetorian

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ok, im a bit confused here. i understand that sp2 will be both free and payware. i also understand that you can download it and u can get it from the fs addon. but what i dont understand is if they are going to be the same update in the payware one and the free one. or if the payware one will have different features and more features than the free one. that is what i want to know

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Acceleration - a full feature add-on for FSX will be available to purchase shortly and will include SP2.......as a bonus if you like.This will include loads more missions, carriers with F-18's and caterpults etc, Mustang air racing.......I'm sure you've seen all the info by now - plus SP2 which fixes a few things like you would expect a service pack to do.A seperate and free to download SP2 will be released seperately later............and this is just the service pack itself.

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Alright, so I guess if we really cant wait for sp2 (me) then we can get it sooner by paying for the addon? And its good to know that there will be a free sp2, now we don't need a rant thread. ;).

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