21 hours ago, Colonel X said:

There is a zero percent chance X-Plane will run on this (in VR). The M2 is far from being powerful enough. Unless we are talking X-Plane Mobile graphics (read: god awful). 

it cant run at night properly yet.

1 hour ago, DD_Arthur said:

This is from Mac O Clock

the data isn't

1 hour ago, DD_Arthur said:

UK govt. keeps equipping yours truly and all the other branches of it’s empire like our NHS, education services, local government, etc., with Windows laptops and PCs cause they’re cheap.

and no one cares that all their content is free to download from a chinese webserver of choice?

How many more times does

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5461132/

have to keep happening before they realise using so much outdated and insecure software is a really really bad idea?

8 minutes ago, mSparks said:

the data isn't

and no one cares that all their content is free to download from a chinese webserver of choice?

How many more times does

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5461132/

have to keep happening before they realise using so much outdated and insecure software is a really really bad 

The 'data' produced by a marketing website is worthless.

Yes, I agree that security breaches are very bad. The extent of this one shows exactly how big the reach of Windows PC's are....doh.

 

36 minutes ago, DD_Arthur said:

The 'data' produced by a marketing website is worthless.

Yes, I agree that security breaches are very bad. The extent of this one shows exactly how big the reach of Windows PC's are....doh.

 

lying on your earnings calls is a criminal offence.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/m.timesofindia.com/gadgets-news/apple-becomes-the-number-one-pc-brand-in-the-world-claims-report/amp_articleshow/91321012.cms

If you doubt how serious an offence, just ask Elizabeth Holmes if she would do it all again.

I have no reason to doubt their numbers, not least because the cheapest macbook is now better performance in every respect than the most expensive windows Laptop (not least because windows has no fork() support and so is mostly restricted to single threads while everyone else adopts large core count compute) at least double the battery life and infinately better design.

I can understand if you havent experienced that difference yet why you might doubt it, you are simply wrong tho.

Apple bringing their expertise to VR/AR with such obvious technological leaps is a huge deal, and I imagine the heads of every other VR manufacturer  (except maybe Sony) is now in urgent and stressfull emergency meetings discussing how they can possibly compete and if and how long they can survive once apple vision drops in stores in every major city all over the world.

And if they are not in those meetings, they simply dont survive.

Edited June 7, 20232 yr by mSparks

Just to let me get this straight - we're running full blown systems with high(est) end hardware with headsets at 2k and narrow-ish FOV while having to make graphics compromises compared to 2D to achieve an acceptable frame rate, and now some are trying to tell us we will run full-fledged flight sims standalone on an AR/VR headset with over 4k per eye and 240 degree FOV at 60 FPS?

I think ya'll need a big sip of reality juice. The only thing this will do with regards to gaming or, specifically, simming is push AR/VR tech innovation in general, which is great but that's it. Apple PR certainly worked.

Edited June 7, 20232 yr by Nixoq

18 minutes ago, Nixoq said:

now some are trying to tell us we will run full-fledged flight sims standalone on an AR/VR headset with over 4k per eye and 240 degreex FOV at 60 FPS?

yes. that is what foveated rendering with eye tracking brings to the table.

flawless 4K per eye resolution needing the compute of 640x480 resolution.

except this is 🍎, so more likely 120fps (although not disclosed yet, the reaction of those who have tried the live demo suggests it is more than 60, or there would have been a lot of complaining)

edit, just about to watch

TS is my most respected VR reviewer, so lets see what he has to say....

Edited June 7, 20232 yr by mSparks

1 hour ago, mSparks said:

yes. that is what foveated rendering with eye tracking brings to the table.

flawless 4K per eye resolution needing the compute of 640x480 resolution.

No, it's not. Current headsets with foveated rendering on high end systems still don't achieve those numbers and besides the graphics the headset also won't achieve anywhere near the CPU power required to run a full sim scenario with all the bells and whistles.

We didn't just go from creeping closer towards decent performance with limited headsets on high end systems to running the full blown sim in superior performance on nothing but the headset itself. The hype is rampant.

Interesting discussion. Personally I simply don't believe in AppleVR. Even less, that it's made (or is optimal) for gaming. The pricetag taken into account, it's (at least in my opinion) made for production, people using SolidWorks, biologists, engineers or similar, who'd would be utilizing it for productive utilities or perhaps presentations. Also, since it most likely only works with Apple's devices, I would expect, you'd need quite a solid (beefy) Mac Pro for using it efficiently.

Apple has always been expensive and I actually LOVE their computers/laptops in terms of quality and MacOS and the environment etc... but I don't know. Lately, they've been launcing some 'interesting' products. The Airpods Max was a $999 if I recall correctly. And the Pro Display XDR for $4.999 - which didn't include a stand (had to be purchase seperately for $999)... The new AppleVR? Personally I don't see a huge market for it, the price alone taken into consideration. We'll see... 🙂

1 hour ago, Nixoq said:

No, it's not. Current headsets with foveated rendering on high end systems still don't achieve those numbers

going to need an example there, Im not aware of what you are talking about actually existing, save the PSVR2, and that clearly does.

3 hours ago, mSparks said:

lying on your earnings calls is a criminal offence 

I can understand if you havent experienced that difference yet why you might doubt it, you are simply wrong tho.

Apple bringing their expertise to VR/AR with such obvious technological leaps is a huge deal, 

Yes, I am aware of how financial reporting works lol. I don’t think you quite understand how journalism works though. Interesting how even the Times of India report has inserted the phrase “it is claimed”😎.

 Btw I have no doubt that Macs are very lovely things indeed and superior to mere Windows based products in every way. However, the simple fact is the vast majority of people who use any sort of device for work or play simply don’t give two hoots about what it is or who made it or what OS it’s using or actually anything about it at all.

Don’t see any obvious technological leap in what is another uncomfortable, isolating piece of headgear that people just don’t want to wear.

 

16 hours ago, DD_Arthur said:

High level heads will roll at Apple in 2025.

I doubt it. Ridiculous design aside, that thing is very likely to sell like hot cake.

13 minutes ago, DD_Arthur said:

Don’t see any obvious technological leap in what is another uncomfortable, isolating piece of headgear that people just don’t want to wear.

 

So unlike everyone else you wont be upgrading from the VarjoXR then?

https://varjo.com/products/xr-3/

 

Edited June 7, 20232 yr by mSparks

43 minutes ago, Bjoern said:

I doubt it. Ridiculous design aside, that thing is very likely to sell like hot cake.

At $3500 for something most people still don't have any reason to use? No, don't think so.

 

1 hour ago, mSparks said:

going to need an example there, Im not aware of what you are talking about actually existing, save the PSVR2, and that clearly does.

There is no way at this point to fly a full-fledged flight simulator scenario as we know it at 60 (native) FPS on a headset with over 4k per eye and a 240 degree FOV, not even on the highest end systems there are. There is no way you're going to be able to do this on this headset alone. This isn't the holy VR grail that pumps out never-seen-before performance in demanding programs like flight simulators all while running it on its own too, unless we magically skipped a few stages of technology evolution.

As for the PSVR2, this is completely irrelevant since there isn't any flight sim for Play Station - not that it would be able to deliver that performance anyway.

8 hours ago, mSparks said:

Apple holding an 18.8% share of the global PC market as of Q1 2022, while second-placed Lenovo holds 17.8% and third-placed HP just 13.4%.

You are probably thinking of the "windows PC" arket reporters, who like to ignore the fact that basically no one has been buying windows PCs for a decade and that entire market segment is as good as dead for obvious reasons.

Those figures include the iPad as a 'PC.' garbage.

If you look at actual personal computers then Apple have about 8% market share.

Lol!

"Never trust statistics, you personally haven't manipulated." 😄