3 hours ago, icewater5 said:

Thanks much mate, ill look this up.

LiveATC.net is great as well and is free.

3 hours ago, GuyFlyer said:

Effective vectoring and some sort of traffic management, like the ability to manage the speeds of traffic for better sequencing so aircraft don't contantly go around on each other

How can you do this when it's reading RW traffic from FlightAware?  We are the intruders in that environment and having to fit us between actual incoming and outgoing flights must be difficult.  As mentioned I find at least I'm not the one who normally is directed to go around, whereas initially it was more common in my experience.

ICAO standard phraseology

14 minutes ago, JustanotherPilot said:

ICAO standard phraseology

Actually phraseology is OK but it based on US

What's fundamentally lacking in current MSFS ATC? 

ummh ... they do not yell and swear át you when you totally F it up.

Edited June 19, 20232 yr by Glenn Fitzpatrick

14 hours ago, Noel said:

what do you believe needs improved to make default ATC decent to use, where you would be less inclined to look outside the sim to a 3rd party ATC?

To answer this a bit more to the point (than I did yesterday):
1. it should be able to use hPA or inches (so not just inches)
2. it should be able to know the transition altitudes (so not just 18.000 ft all over the world)
3. it should work perfectly well with all the procedures (including constraints etc.) and assign them on the fly depending on weather (not really sure if this isn't already the case though 😉 )
4. it should control traffic the same way as it controls you (so no more traffic on opposing runways etc.)
5. point 4 should also eliminate the need for fake ATC background chatter
6. it should assign correct altitudes at all times
7. it should give you correct vectors at the appropriate times
8. it should have a great(er) variety of voices

I think that's about it. I might have forgotten a few points though... 😉 As I said before I am very happy with FSHud but even that one isn't perfect yet. But it is a LOT better than default ATC! From the above list FSHud gives me points 1, 2, 3, 4 and 5 (although chatter sounds a bit monotonous and can be sparse depending on when you fly (I use FSHud with FSLTL). FSHud needs improving when it comes to point 6 and specially 7 and 8. But it is in beta right now and it receives updates quite frequently.

To not make this a 'FSHud is heaven'-post: the dev can be (or seems to be) a bit rude at times which I sometimes find quite annoying and on the edge. I've been recommending FSHud for a long time but some of the devs reactions makes it a bit harder for me to keep on recommending it as I did in the past. But well... I do think the behaviour comes out of his enthusiasm and love for his product and so I keep up with it but I'd like to see that change. 😉

Having said all that: if default ATC will change in the future it has to add MORE than the list above because I've already got all that now with FSHud. And I doubt if default ATC will ever give more... so I really think I will stick with addon ATC for quite some time. 😉

EDIT
Just saw this topic... Interesting. I joined their Discord and look forward to what they bring to the table!

 

Edited June 19, 20232 yr by tup61

The ability to control online users too if desired, plus control VFR and 2020-2024 missions, and the etc. already stated.

We have practically a 15 years old ATC, it could do it better, and with nowadays IAs even better too.

15 hours ago, Mace said:

You can't talk to it.

Yes you can: Try Multi Crew Experience with a free trial period.

Edited June 19, 20232 yr by Bernard Ducret

5 hours ago, JustanotherPilot said:

ICAO standard phraseology

This will help you: https://flightsim.to/file/4518/european-atc-phraseology-mod

 

6 hours ago, JustanotherPilot said:

ICAO standard phraseology

I would not want that at all.  Regional would be so much nicer.  But before even that I'd like to see ATC vector to final properly, use speeds for spacing as well as headings etc.  I'd like to see ATC for vfr, especially towered airport ops.  I'd like to see IFR pickup in the air capabilities etc.  I'd love to see ATC factor in minimum vectoring altitudes and minimum IFR altitudes for approach clearances.  But I'd be content with just being issued an altitude to maintain until reaching the IAF (published altitude).

3 hours ago, tup61 said:

4. it should control traffic the same way as it controls you (so no more traffic on opposing runways etc.)

How might this be done since currently it's using FlightAware AI traffic which "controls" AI traffic?  I have to assume FlightAware is using more or less realtime or recent METAR and so chooses runways compatible with that, whereas MSFS will assign runways not necessarily in line with the same METAR data.  

10 minutes ago, Noel said:

How might this be done since currently it's using FlightAware AI traffic which "controls" AI traffic?  I

It should load the flight plan for the Flightware flights and then let the ATC take over the actual control. That way it will just move the planes out of the way. With loading in FSLTL traffic, it will gives the "real" traffic instructions they ignore.

12 minutes ago, Noel said:

How might this be done since currently it's using FlightAware AI traffic which "controls" AI traffic?  I have to assume FlightAware is using more or less realtime or recent METAR and so chooses runways compatible with that, whereas MSFS will assign runways not necessarily in line with the same METAR data.  

Not sure what us currently using FlightAware...? But if 'it' is and if that is what's preventing 'it' from actually controlling traffic then it perhaps shouldn't use FlightAware. FSHud controls ALL traffic so it can be done.

BTW That actually is a nice feature in FSHud: when you switch controllers you often fall (if that is the right word) in the middle of a sentence. So FSHud was already talking to other planes when you switched. This really makes it feel (which actually is the case 😉 ) that ATC is really controlling all the traffic. Afaik other ATC addons (and certainly default) won't do that. The only start talking once you have switched frequencies. 

Edited June 19, 20232 yr by tup61

Just now, tup61 said:

FSHud controls ALL traffic so it can be done.

I have taken a pause from buying stuff to ease the wallet strain. FSHUD is a candidate for breaking that pledge.

Just now, BrammyH said:

It should load the flight plan for the Flightware flights and then let the ATC take over the actual control.

So you're thinking it should load all FA flight plans of incoming and outgoing traffic?   I don't see how that can happen, the part where it "takes over actual control".  So a particular plane is headed for RwyX, and ATC moves it to another runway?