Ok guys, it boils down to this. If you like P3D then stick with v5, since no developers give a hoot about making changes to their products for v6, including PMDG. The market has simply dried up. 

I'll continue to use P3Dv5 since I have mucho dinero invested in addons for this thing and have to build a new computer to get all the performance I want out of a new sim. I'll probably wait for MSFS 2024 to come out before taking the inevitable dive into that platform. P3D had good run, but as far as we simmers go, this is probably it. 

13 hours ago, Patriot3810 said:

and the 737 in MSFS doesn't even function correctly. I am referring to vnav.

People need to stop spreading nonsense they picked up from wherever from whomever. It functions just as much in MSFS as it does in P3D - I have flown it in both sims for countless hours. Just because it doesn't have some things like an EFB yet and no weather radar doesn't mean it doesn't work correctly. I also happen to have a decent understanding of how VNAV works in the real plane, which is why I can say it's not broken. It has a tendency to be late on speed restrictions - that's it.

There have been a couple of occasions where people recycled this VNAV-doesn't-work nonsense - only to be corrected by several type rated 737 pilots (unaffiliated with PMDG, to be clear) on that it works pretty well and isn't broken at all.

3 hours ago, CaptainAddOn said:

No doubt there are improvements there, but I fail to see how these impacts the aircraft instead of just the terrain/scenery. Visibility of precipitation on the runway or the PBR materials on autogen buildings seem to be to have nothing to do with aircraft add-ons. Perplexingly, the developer who seems to not be complaining about how much they are impacted is Orbx.

An all new lighting model built from the ground up

That is more than enough to affect the addons, including glass cockpits, etc.

1 hour ago, polosim said:

I'm gonna pray that the process to get them working v5 -> v6 is the same as for v4 -> v5. Fingers crossed...

8 hours ago, PavlinS said:

Which is very sad. After all, no matter how small is the P3D representation of users of PMDG we deserve at least a little attention. Because unlike most of the users of MSFS2020 we are devoted users from much longer and we invested a lot of money in that company.

I regret that PMDG wants to permanently leave P3D market. This is a big loss for every single user who had invested into that company when that company was working exclusively FSX / P3D market only. It is sad and disappointing. 

But my deepest regret is that no matter how small group we are we do not get any respect for our choice to invest in that company and actually help build her name in the flight sim market. Which is why I am never going to buy another product of PMDG anymore.

Don't take this the wrong way - but some flight simmers have a view of things that is completely detached from reality. You did not invest in the company. You paid money to buy a product you wanted for your own enjoyment - or did you actually buy their products out of altruism because you wanted to see the company thrive? I'm going to guess you didn't. You're entirely in it for your own sake, just like you are when you buy a pack of toilet paper at the nearest store. A business doesn't owe you anything that's not included in the transaction and you're not entitled to or deserving of the business going out of their way to provide services to you because you bought another product some time back. The company is happy you bought their product but that doesn't obligate them to repay you with special respect beyond fulfilling their part of the contract by paying you back with the product you wanted.

PMDG go where the money is, as does every other developer. If they didn't, they'd flat out be dead. Given the delays in the 737 releases as well as the EFB and the fact they still have two more airplanes to work on, I would say it's pretty obvious they're swarmed with work. I can understand some are upset at issues not having been fixed in a long time, but other than that there is nothing sad or disappointing about their decision to keep focusing on a platform that yields returns and they don't owe anyone loyalty for them having purchased previous products. My phone isn't getting any more updates, but I don't expect Samsung to restart work on it because I bought a product from them 5 years ago. I'm not entitled to that or deserving of that, just like no one is entitled or deserving of a v6 version because they bought their aircraft in FSX. I don't see anyone making the same fuss about other companies outside of flight simulation, but for some reason flight sim developers are held to the expectation of mandatory, long term repaying of debt to their customers because the customers bought some of their products before.

12 minutes ago, Nixoq said:

PMDG go where the money is, as does every other developer.

Someone told me that PMDG want to finish on their 747 for MSFS and then will decide is P3D v6 worth it. I might be wrong, but this does not mean all hope is lost. 

10 hours ago, PavlinS said:

Which is very sad. After all, no matter how small is the P3D representation of users of PMDG we deserve at least a little attention. Because unlike most of the users of MSFS2020 we are devoted users from much longer and we invested a lot of money in that company. 

It's all about patience, but no one wants to have patience. Nether users or the developers. Both sides to me are wrong in their judgement. Because users are greedy and developers do not wanna leave their zone of comfort and actually learn to develop for a new platform. 

This means, that we, users have only one choice - to stay on the platforms we are already users of. Which, I repeat, it's sad. If we all had more patience now the situation was not going to be like that. But unfortunately both groups need that, if only users have patience no one is getting anything new into their hands. 

I regret that PMDG wants to permanently leave P3D market. This is a big loss for every single user who had invested into that company when that company was working exclusively FSX / P3D market only. It is sad and disappointing.

You don't speak for all P3D users - I was an FSX user, and then later a P3D user, a very dedicated P3Dv4 user, but now I am no longer. I was patient for 10 years waiting for a big improvement to come in flight simulation. I patiently watched X-Plane, but it never quite managed to reach its potential.

I am happy to see PMDG working to build the future of our hobby, along with other devs like A2A, Fenix, FlyByWire, and others. It's obvious there has been a huge latent demand for a modern flight simulator, and LM had 10+ years to inspire it. But they didn't, and now life moves on. I appreciate that LM kept the hobby on life support long enough to make it to this point, and they and the devs who stuck through the time earned plenty of my money for it - I even bought V5 despite knowing I wasn't going to install it. But V6? It's the same old, same old, and at this point loyalty is just foolishness.

If you like V5, (or even V4, for that matter) it's not going away - but I think we can all see with our own eyes that V6 doesn't deserve the effort of a clean install on my end, let alone updating an entire catalogue of addons on the devs side.

Edited July 3, 20232 yr by Stavros

2 minutes ago, Stavros said:

If you like V5, (or even V4, for that matter) it's not going away - but I think we can all see with our own eyes that V6 doesn't deserve the effort of a clean install on my end, let alone updating an entire catalogue of addons on the devs side.

I am currently watching a streamer doing v6. It is not what you think. For example, there is freeware live shading program now, which really changes stuff to me. I am going to buy it. At some point. Hopefully my PMDG planes come to work with it. Otherwise I'll keep on using with v4 and use v6 for VFR only. 

1 minute ago, PavlinS said:

I am currently watching a streamer doing v6. It is not what you think. For example, there is freeware live shading program now, which really changes stuff to me. I am going to buy it. At some point. Hopefully my PMDG planes come to work with it. Otherwise I'll keep on using with v4 and use v6 for VFR only. 

I'm watching the same stream - You must have better eyes than me if you think there's a vast difference.

Just now, Stavros said:

I'm watching the same stream - You must have better eyes than me if you think there's a vast difference.

Well, Stavros, I am not hugely pretencious towards developers. As an attempting developer myself at the moment I know how hard it is to develop anything. We should be grateful, not nitpick on problems. That's my point. 

18 minutes ago, PavlinS said:

Someone told me that PMDG want to finish on their 747 for MSFS and then will decide is P3D v6 worth it. I might be wrong, but this does not mean all hope is lost. 

That's what they said. Let's be realistic though. By the time the 747 for MSFS is out two or even more years will have passed, by which time P3D may well be on v7, which makes v6 a moot point. *IF* v7 uses a new engine, none of what is now will run on it and that would require a whole lot of work to make addons work in v7. Given that MSFS isn't going away any time soon considering 2024 is to release in a year or so and XP12 is going to mature further too while both are already more or less established now, I can't see any reason for them to put any resources into P3D. Unless v7 blows everything else away, which, well, it probably won't.

Just now, Nixoq said:

That's what they said. Let's be realistic though. By the time the 747 for MSFS is out two or even more years will have passed, by which time P3D may well be on v7, which makes v6 a moot point. *IF* v7 uses a new engine, none of what is now will run on it and that would require a whole lot of work to make addons work in v7. Given that MSFS isn't going away any time soon considering 2024 is to release in a year or so and XP12 is going to mature further too while both are already more or less established now, I can't see any reason for them to put any resources into P3D. Unless v7 blows everything else away, which, well, it probably won't.

How can you be sure PMDG won't develop for v7? We all don't know. So why not we stop with the projecting when we actually know nothing of the further development plans of those companies? 

5 minutes ago, PavlinS said:

Well, Stavros, I am not hugely pretencious towards developers. As an attempting developer myself at the moment I know how hard it is to develop anything. We should be grateful, not nitpick on problems. That's my point. 

Lol, sorry, but the irony is off the charts right now.

2 minutes ago, PavlinS said:

How can you be sure PMDG won't develop for v7? We all don't know. So why not we stop with the projecting when we actually know nothing of the further development plans of those companies? 

I didn't say I'm sure of it. It's a hypothesis.