38 minutes ago, jeansy said:

you will find most FSX addons will work in v5.4

Exactly - still using and enjoy Manfred Jahn C47 🙂

12 minutes ago, d.tsakiris said:

That's my problem: While P3D isn't targeted at me, it fits my wants. XP might be another option, but I really don't feel like starting over for what I expect would be mixed results at best...

same boat as me, for the life of me MSFS doesnt appeal to me and XP doesnt feel right after using the MS engine since 93.

im sure someone will find a way down the track, but there is not point in following some who are already jumping the gun on a platform thats not released yet saying the glass is empty

double post 🤫

Edited July 3, 20232 yr by jeansy

27 minutes ago, Ray Proudfoot said:

RR posted this yesterday regarding PMDG aircraft in P3Dv6... "We have done the obligatory "drag-and-drop" to see if the products will work as is and have had poor results. This tells us that some code effort/recompiling will be needed and the resources simply are not available to do so."

I posted this question as that statement was not very clear...

"What does “poor results” actually mean?

Does the PMDG737NGXu work in v6 or not? If it’s just poor visuals but the FMC and autopilot work many would be prepared to live with those until you have the time to fix them.

Or is it a case that the aircraft will not load successfully and cannot be flown? Or even causes P3D to crash?"

He replied with his copy and paste from his first statement. He didn't answer my question. The guy would have a fine career as a politician!

Maybe someone here will buy v6 and try installing their PMDG aircraft. Some creative thinking may be required to fool the installer you're installing to v5 in the v6 structure.

Maybe as others have suggested here it's not a major issue and PMDG just can't be bothered sorting out visuals (PBR) but the aircraft and its functions actually flies okay.

Thanks for your great post at PMDG

As soon as I know v6 it’s been released I will buy and will install or try to install my full collection of addons and will share results

cheers

18 minutes ago, PavlinS said:

I am completely convinced that I should stay with my V4.5 just because I will be able to use all my planes without problem. 

It is not surprising for me that the PMDG decided to not work on v6, because honestly saying, the amount of interest for that platform is too low compared to the giant market of MSFS. 

Which is very sad. After all, no matter how small is the P3D representation of users of PMDG we deserve at least a little attention. Because unlike most of the users of MSFS2020 we are devoted users from much longer and we invested a lot of money in that company. 

It's all about patience, but no one wants to have patience. Nether users or the developers. Both sides to me are wrong in their judgement. Because users are greedy and developers do not wanna leave their zone of comfort and actually learn to develop for a new platform. 

This means, that we, users have only one choice - to stay on the platforms we are already users of. Which, I repeat, it's sad. If we all had more patience now the situation was not going to be like that. But unfortunately both groups need that, if only users have patience no one is getting anything new into their hands. 

I regret that PMDG wants to permanently leave P3D market. This is a big loss for every single user who had invested into that company when that company was working exclusively FSX / P3D market only. It is sad and disappointing. 

But my deepest regret is that no matter how small group we are we do not get any respect for our choice to invest in that company and actually help build her name in the flight sim market. Which is why I am never going to buy another product of PMDG anymore. I already have All the 737 / 747 / 777 variants of planes for P3D. This is my final investment and anyone that suggests I should go to MSFS - please. It's a P3D forum. I don't care for your opinion about MSFS. 

It's PMDG's customers that have chosen to move to another sim, PMDG won't survive otherwise. Frankly which developer will if they spend more time on P3Dv6 than other sim development?

Edited July 3, 20232 yr by YMMB

Shame to see but not exactly unexpected with the lack of housekeeping for v5 over the last few years, at least they were upfront about it this time.

This will probably reduce the likelihood of my picking up v6, especially if the FSL Concorde and TFDI MD11 still release for v5.

 

2 minutes ago, SimeonWilbury said:

TFDI MD11 still release for v5

Somehow have a feeling that they will give up P3D and will focus only on MSFS version

26 minutes ago, PavlinS said:

I regret that PMDG wants to permanently leave P3D market

Where did they state that?

8 minutes ago, Beardyman said:

Somehow have a feeling that they will give up P3D and will focus only on MSFS version

Would be awkward if they did given the pre-order stuff they've been doing (some presumably pre-ordering expecting a P3D Version), but I wouldn't be surprised if they did either.

After Just Flight ditched their 747 Classic & A300 (when the latter was practically done and was in beta testing) I've not much faith in 3rd Party Devs in regard to P3D, I'll gladly consider anything that does make it out the door though.

To be honest LM is really the one all current P3D users should be targeting.

With a rapidly shifting sim market away from their product was it seems a very deliberate move to release V6 that would break compatibility with its largest user groups.

If they are so out of touch with Academic license holders and they where happy to make that call to break aircraft compatibility in favor of some what look like very minor visual improvements then its clear they are moving on to focus on the core market ie professional simulation.

They would have to know that the vast majority of the non professional user base had moved on to MSFS so again the majority of their attention would be back to professional uses so killing backward compatibility would only effect a small number of people.

Instead of fixing the obvious lighting/cloud/atmospheric issues of V5 and not break any aircraft addons that this deliberate step to change enough such that all aircraft will require updating was a very conscious decision.

P3DV5 was a work in progress from first release and LM walking away with the job half done is to me far worse than anything PMDG has done. Leaving 5.4 in the state its in is pretty despicable move rather than fix what we all paid for. We are all left now with a sim with some ugly visuals that have been left unfixed by LM and no real prospect of any fix ever.

 

Edited July 3, 20232 yr by DEHowie

I think we all need to wait and see what the final release of P3d V6 turns out to look like. The delay of release by LM is a very strange. I had the idea that most V5 stuff was going to work in V6 based on the info that LM was giving out at the expo in Houston. It may be that some of these issues will get sorted out buy LM. It may be to early to grab our computers and jump off the nearest sky scraper. Just ask yourself what would the GPTChat robot do in this situation. LOL

8 minutes ago, DEHowie said:

To be honest LM is really the one all current P3D users should be targeting.

With a rapidly shifting sim market away from their product was it seems a very deliberate move to release V6 that would break compatibility with its largest user groups.

If they are so out of touch with Academic license holders and they where happy to make that call to break aircraft compatibility

I believe LM themselves stated that V6 ist backward-compatible. Most certainly only to SDK-compliant add-ons, though. So I really don't know if LM is to blame, or certain add-on developers.

It is 100% certain that I will be sticking with Flight Unlimited Great Britain in P3Dv4.5HF2 until I see what MSFS 2024 has to offer next year. I was only ever going to consider v6 if it was a revolutionary upgrade, but that is obviously not the case. The absolute bare minimum for consideration now would be full compatibility with all of my addons (including the original PMDG 737NGX, a slightly earlier version of the PMDG 777 that uses the old ground handling physics, and my Earth Simulations scenery packages), so I can reasonably confidently state that the P3D upgrade ship has sailed for me.

Edited July 3, 20232 yr by Christopher Low

1 hour ago, PavlinS said:

Because unlike most of the users of MSFS2020 we are devoted users from much longer and we invested a lot of money in that company. 

What utter nonsense.. reality once again seems to be flying in the face of silly comments like this, but yes please keep repeating whatever it is that makes you feel better. So for everyone who was devoted to and invested in FSX in the earlier years, was there a similar kind of animosity towards 3rd party devs who gave up FSX and focused solely on P3D and/or XP? (well, there probably was lol, I didn't partake in the forums as much then).

Nobody is forcing anyone to move to MSFS.. and with P3D 4.x/5.x still being around and functional along with all their add-ons if P3D is the sim that most fits your needs, you get to stay on it.. The market reality is such that almost all 3rd party devs are now exclusively developing for MSFS, and there are obvious reasons for that (i.e. the navigraph survey is a good a indicator of how the great majority of Serious Simmers ™️ are mostly using MSFS 2020 now, let alone the broader market where there a great many new/casual users on it too). The market is what the market is, and prudent businesses have to focus on where they stand to make the most returns (i.e. allocating resources to a <1% active customer base is not prudent in the least, especially when that base can keep using your products on a lower version sim i.e. P3D 5.x that's not appreciably different from v6).

I myself am a "user from much longer", since the mid 80s in fact and have used all the sims out there, "devotedly". And I'm also a person who likes to build add-ons around one sim if that's feasible. If a future P3D or XP comes along that compels me enough, I might easily be in a position where I want to have multiple sims, or move to another as the sole sim. There is no code of "loyalty" that needs to be adhered to here from anyone to anyone, it's a free market, and all three of consumers, sim developers, 3rd party developers decide what's best for them 🤷‍♂️
 

Edited July 3, 20232 yr by lwt1971

39 minutes ago, d.tsakiris said:

I believe LM themselves stated that V6 ist backward-compatible. Most certainly only to SDK-compliant add-ons, though. So I really don't know if LM is to blame, or certain add-on developers.

Do you think you could enjoy those PMDG, FsLabs, Ifly, etc add-ons in the state they are if those developpers would have strickly stayed SDK-compliant?