5 minutes ago, level7 said:

NGXu? 😄

Yes. There were rumours the original NGX would work but perhaps without a working Wx radar. I bit the bullet and paid the full price for a second time. The lack of a discount for a previous customer was not appreciated.

12 hours ago, chapstick said:

https://forum.pmdg.com/forum/main-forum/general-discussion-news-and-announcements/255853-02jul23-a-few-weeks-of-news-and-travel-to-recap

So why Majestic Dash 8Q400 is compatible and really have a P3Dv6 installer? Why FSDTGSX LEVEL 2 too?

we will see the copy paste thing with PMDG, I really do not thrust in this company anymore.

 

cheers

Just now, Ray Proudfoot said:

Yes. There were rumours the original NGX would work but perhaps without a working Wx radar. I bit the bullet and paid the full price for a second time. The lack of a discount for a previous customer was not appreciated.

Hopefully you got the MSFS credit at least. Me on the other hand bought it after that offer expired 🤦‍♂️.

1 minute ago, Gumerson said:

we will see the copy paste thing with PMDG, I really do not thrust in this company anymore.

you can trust PMDG will not do anything for P3D!

1 minute ago, level7 said:

you can trust PMDG will not do anything for P3D!

That’s for sure! Ha ha

That "try to adapt products after the 747-400 for MSFS" talk is word not allowed.

Just now, level7 said:

Hopefully you got the MSFS credit at least. Me on the other hand bought it after that offer expired 🤦‍♂️.

No I didn’t. ☹️ I wasn’t interested as MSFS didn’t appeal then and still doesn’t.

I’m not into wanting the latest, greatest sim. In this age it just causes untold frustration being at the behest of developers and their attitudes. I have 4 aircraft that work fine in v5.4 and soon to be joined by the ultimate Concorde. That’s it for me.

I have 150 third party airports which is more than enough. The only thing outside my control is the continued existence of Active Sky. If they were to be denied access to MSFS they may not be able to survive.

How would we feel about a sim with no injected weather? Unpalatable for me. That would then probably force me to switch to MSFS since that is the only sim that has the aircraft I want.  It it would be through gritted teeth though.

16 minutes ago, Gumerson said:

So why Majestic Dash 8Q400 is compatible and really have a P3Dv6 installer? Why FSDTGSX LEVEL 2 too?

That is an interesting question. Makes me wonder if some devs are just creating false pretenses...

20 minutes ago, Gumerson said:

So why Majestic Dash 8Q400 is compatible and really have a P3Dv6 installer? Why FSDTGSX LEVEL 2 too?

we will see the copy paste thing with PMDG, I really do not thrust in this company anymore.

 

cheers

While I believe in some way there might be some things they would have to be tuned but I don’t completely believe them about their planes being completely not compatible. It’s more of a, we want to focus on MSFS and we can’t be bothered checking whether what we need to do them and just quickly do it.

2 minutes ago, d.tsakiris said:

That is an interesting question. Makes me wonder if some devs are just creating false pretenses...

In some way, I would say yes they are. And maybe this just shows on which developer worked as per the way Lockheed Martin intended them to work in the platform and not hacking your way around it to make it work.

Edited July 3, 20232 yr by Balint Szarka

1 hour ago, DChockey08 said:

You can’t blame PMDG for this decision. But it is extremely disappointing that after all the talk from LM about not breaking backwards compatibility. 

Having worked with several developers on paid addons, I see it each time the source code varies

If you look at the percentage of files on each update that arent backwards capable its only a tiny percent.  you will find most FSX addons will work in v5.4

Its only a small number of file modification that's requires an overhaul that isnt generic. So technically everything is still backwards capable in the overall scheme of things (not just the one or two developers)

 

but before flying off the handle crying foul

Its the small percentage of files that developers have added over the years to that was never a part of the original SDKs that break with updates.

These are the files that developers spend the most amount of time and resources on. The .mdl, .air or .bgls are platform generic. Its the few zeros and ones in the developer's custom .dlls and .xmls that LM cant predict

The end user's wants of features drove the developers to create custom coding that can be fragile with a change of source codes. Its our greed and wants that lead to the custom modification of files

Even if every developer released all their custom data to LM, there is still now way LM could make everything work on each update.

I dont blame PMDG not wanting to devote time and money where their primary source of income is elsewhere, I dont blame LM not predicting or trying accommodate for every bit of custom data out there.

Addons that use the SDK software it should work with each release. Where the source code changes the tools in the newest version of the SDK are present. If you have created a code outside the SDK thats not LM's problem

Sitting back in the developers back forums, reading the coders posts how it could be one or two lines of code in a file that could be culprit but taking several weeks to find that conflict was always an interesting journey. I still see it with a developer's MSFS addons and how each update causes coders to revisit the files

If coding was easy every addon would be top of the range, but its not as we can see there isnt many many people here who can fix these addons at home by ourselves

 

Disappointing to read posts like this from developers, but not unexpected as they don't do this as a charity service

This is where everyone who is upset needs to re-evaluate is this platform targeted at me? Does this meet my wants(notice want not need)? What are my options?

Like people like Ray and myself v6 probably isnt the silverbullet, it wont fill every want at this point in time.

 

 

 

 

Edited July 3, 20232 yr by jeansy

RR posted this yesterday regarding PMDG aircraft in P3Dv6... "We have done the obligatory "drag-and-drop" to see if the products will work as is and have had poor results. This tells us that some code effort/recompiling will be needed and the resources simply are not available to do so."

I posted this question as that statement was not very clear...

"What does “poor results” actually mean?

Does the PMDG737NGXu work in v6 or not? If it’s just poor visuals but the FMC and autopilot work many would be prepared to live with those until you have the time to fix them.

Or is it a case that the aircraft will not load successfully and cannot be flown? Or even causes P3D to crash?"

He replied with his copy and paste from his first statement. He didn't answer my question. The guy would have a fine career as a politician!

Maybe someone here will buy v6 and try installing their PMDG aircraft. Some creative thinking may be required to fool the installer you're installing to v5 in the v6 structure.

Maybe as others have suggested here it's not a major issue and PMDG just can't be bothered sorting out visuals (PBR) but the aircraft and its functions actually flies okay.

7 minutes ago, Ray Proudfoot said:

Maybe someone here will buy v6 and try installing their PMDG aircraft. Some creative thinking may be required to fool the installer you're installing to v5 in the v6 structure.

Maybe as others have suggested here it's not a major issue and PMDG just can't be bothered sorting out visuals (PBR) but the aircraft and its functions actually flies okay.

Hopefully, it will work enough to be flyable even if it's not officially supported.

Now, what RR said is that they drag & drop and it's not working. Now they would probably need to allow more resources to investigate more about what's is not working and what need to be done. It seems they don't want and/or can't allow those resources to simply investigate.

I can also understand that they won't officially support a product that is not fully working and reach their standards of quality.

11 minutes ago, jeansy said:

This is where everyone who is upset needs to re-evaluate is this platform targeted at me? Does this meet my wants(notice want not need)? What are my options?

That's my problem: While P3D isn't targeted at me, it fits my wants. XP might be another option, but I really don't feel like starting over for what I expect would be mixed results at best...

I am completely convinced that I should stay with my V4.5 just because I will be able to use all my planes without problem. 

It is not surprising for me that the PMDG decided to not work on v6, because honestly saying, the amount of interest for that platform is too low compared to the giant market of MSFS. 

Which is very sad. After all, no matter how small is the P3D representation of users of PMDG we deserve at least a little attention. Because unlike most of the users of MSFS2020 we are devoted users from much longer and we invested a lot of money in that company. 

It's all about patience, but no one wants to have patience. Nether users or the developers. Both sides to me are wrong in their judgement. Because users are greedy and developers do not wanna leave their zone of comfort and actually learn to develop for a new platform. 

This means, that we, users have only one choice - to stay on the platforms we are already users of. Which, I repeat, it's sad. If we all had more patience now the situation was not going to be like that. But unfortunately both groups need that, if only users have patience no one is getting anything new into their hands. 

I regret that PMDG wants to permanently leave P3D market. This is a big loss for every single user who had invested into that company when that company was working exclusively FSX / P3D market only. It is sad and disappointing. 

But my deepest regret is that no matter how small group we are we do not get any respect for our choice to invest in that company and actually help build her name in the flight sim market. Which is why I am never going to buy another product of PMDG anymore. I already have All the 737 / 747 / 777 variants of planes for P3D. This is my final investment and anyone that suggests I should go to MSFS - please. It's a P3D forum. I don't care for your opinion about MSFS.