On 7/4/2023 at 10:45 AM, F737MAX said:

The QW787 is good for P3D. It has features such as 'jump ahead' (a native function in MSFS), electronic checklists (commonly seen in add-ons now), auto-step climb, EFB and moving maps, and a bit of life added to it from the crew and pax announcements feature.

Where it doesn't do so well, IMO, is the MFD refresh rate (a P3D platform limitation), a lack of systems depth, no failures, and I wasn't sure if the Boeing C*U (fly-by-wire) system worked as expected (thoughts @jon b?).

If MS keeps the 787 in the aircraft list for MSFS2024 and the WT team remains interested in updating it, there's no reason why the MSFS cannot surpass QW's efforts.
Despite a recent rumour, I'd be surprised to see a QW 787 make its entrance into MSFS. 

You catch me in the middle of my motorcycling season , my sim is normally dormant until autumn.

However I’ve had a very quick look at the new  787 update and I thought they’d done a magnificent job on updating the appearance of the instruments and HUD. 
The flight model from my very very brief experience did still seem a little overpowered, however I’m not familiar with the -10 version and I was below the -9 MLW to do circuits (too lazy to look up the -10 MLW for my brief flight) so it may be very light for a -10 and the performance is correct.

I have to say now with realistic aviaonics and HUD it really does capture the ambience of the 787 and I enjoyed my brief flight. I spent hours in the QW 787 prior to my type rating trying to acquaint myself with flying using the HUD,although this paid dividends when moving on to the full motion sim and aircraft the HUD in this MSFS version is far far superior and very true to life, I wish it had been available at the time.

One slight discrepancy I did notice with HUD however if anyone has the ear of the developers… turning the flight directors off should also remove the guidance cue from the HUD, and with the autopilot engaged the guidance cue is always fixed in the centre of the FPV bird symbol,in this model there’s a bit of drift between the two.

Ive literally only had 30 minutes or do flying this but have been most impressed.

Its very unrealistic to expect to start doing failures and engine out work on a default model , however for familiarisation with the HUD , PFDs and IAN I’d say this aircraft is now an excellent tool for real world pilots transitioning onto the type.

The QW was a good upper middle level product in its day, and still has some good system depth missing here, I particularly liked the ability to realistically call up METARS through the COMM page, however this MSFS is far superior and more realistic visually.

I hope it’s further developed either by the developers and/or other 3rd parties as it has tremendous potential to be an outstanding aircraft from what I’ve seen so far.

Edited July 23, 20232 yr by jon b

QQ (sorry if it's been answered), does anyone know if the 787-10 range was fixed in AAU2? Specifically, if I recall I used to be able to fly from Perth to London non-stop (a good thing since there is no 787-9) but I imagine now that might not be possible. So I'm using the Kuro 787-8 instead for this mission until we get a proper 787-9?

4 hours ago, dolbinau said:

does anyone know if the 787-10 range was fixed in AAU2? Specifically, if I recall I used to be able to fly from Perth to London non-stop (a good thing since there is no 787-9) but I imagine now that might not be possible

 I don't think you would be able to do that in the B78X even if it was spot on accurate as just doesn't have that range. I think even the -9 would be pretty payload restricted.

Edited July 24, 20232 yr by Dave_YVR

On 7/23/2023 at 10:11 AM, jon b said:

 

motorcycle riding is suspended here due to extreme heat but do give the kuro 788 a try.  fm and vc lighting were improved, best experienced in vr at night.

Edited July 25, 20232 yr by kdfw__

14 hours ago, Dave_YVR said:

 I don't think you would be able to do that in the B78X even if it was spot on accurate as just doesn't have that range. I think even the -9 would be pretty payload restricted.

Yes but of course it is achievable as Qantas flies that route with a 787-9....

8 hours ago, dolbinau said:

Yes but of course it is achievable as Qantas flies that route with a 787-9....

 Exactly, that is with the -9 though and it has A LOT more range than the -10.

To me the AAU2 Asobo 787-10 or HS Kurorin 787-8 is not as good as the QW 787.  But... it's quite good, and fully functional.  As far as systems, everything that needs to be there is there.  The cabin is not modled, but who really cares...obviously someone but I don't. I really hope Kurorin and Horizon Sim make a 787-9. I have enjoyed making some domestic hops around Japan in it.  The 787 AAU2 version is even better than the Heavy Division mod, which was pretty good and getting better.  I don't think at this point I would even buy a payware 787.  

 

Can someone please summarize all the add-ons and mods for the 787.  I know of the Kurorin but what is Horizon Sim?  Any others?  Thank you.

I'm using the Kuro_B787 for the -8 in addition, nothing else. Missing the two-row IAS/HDG/ALT AP MCP indications with advised ATC values and working XFR buttons, this would be an real innovation for the plane. Best regards

Edited July 26, 20232 yr by cseu
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On 7/25/2023 at 3:28 AM, kdfw__ said:

motorcycle riding is suspended here due to extreme heat but do give the kuro 788 a try.  fm and vc lighting were improved, best experienced in vr at night.

It’s been suspended here too due to heavy rain constantly for 2 weeks.

I’ve downloaded the Kuro 788, is it just a -8 airframe and visuals or are there some systems upgrades with it too ?

 

18 minutes ago, jon b said:

It’s been suspended here too due to heavy rain constantly for 2 weeks.

I’ve downloaded the Kuro 788, is it just a -8 airframe and visuals or are there some systems upgrades with it too ?

 

I don't think the Kuro is making that many changes to the systems. Since the Kuro is based off the Working Title 787-10, if you want general enhancements of the avionics/systems, Working Title may need to be one who can do it.

@jon b are you a real life 787 pilot? I'm sure the Working Title team wouldn't mind feedback on the 787, especially from real life 787 pilots, in their Discord channel. Their Discord channel is:  https://discord.com/invite/Fa6w2xK (alternatively, you can go to the official Working Title website at https://www.workingtitle.aero/ and click on the "Discord" link at the bottom to go to their Discord channel).

If there are -8 specific avionics and systems differences though, I guess Kuro would be the one to do it. But for general avionics and systems changes to the 787, I think Working Title needs to do it (and then the Kuro 787 will "inherit" the changes from the Working Title 787-10).

Edited July 26, 20232 yr by abrams_tank

@abrams_tank Thanks for those links, I’ve just joined but probably won’t have much time to test fly during the summer months , now the sun seems to have come out again I’ll be off on the motorbikes.

I’m sure there’s plenty of more qualified 787 people than me on there already.

The -8 avionics will be the same as the -9 & 10 it’s mainly the flaps and a few other things that are different, I’ve not flown an 8 but speaking to people that have it’s really nice to fly , the best of the lot for landings.

1 hour ago, abrams_tank said:

I don't think the Kuro is making that many changes to the systems. Since the Kuro is based off the Working Title 787-10, if you want general enhancements of the avionics/systems, Working Title may need to be one who can do it.

@jon b are you a real life 787 pilot? I'm sure the Working Title team wouldn't mind feedback on the 787, especially from real life 787 pilots, in their Discord channel. Their Discord channel is:  https://discord.com/invite/Fa6w2xK (alternatively, you can go to the official Working Title website at https://www.workingtitle.aero/ and click on the "Discord" link at the bottom to go to their Discord channel).

If there are -8 specific avionics and systems differences though, I guess Kuro would be the one to do it. But for general avionics and systems changes to the 787, I think Working Title needs to do it (and then the Kuro 787 will "inherit" the changes from the Working Title 787-10).

I don't think there are any real avionics changes. The flaps settings are different of course. The team behind the flight model and the avionics is the very accomplished Horizon Simulations team which have rehabbed the LVFR A3xx series into a reasonably pleasant experience with realistic performance and avionics tweaks. They've worked hard on the B788 and the flight model seems plausible - similar to the QW B788 from FSX-P3D. 

They've deferred on things like an EFB and future avionics improvements until those come from WT though. No point in creating a fork when those improvements are already scheduled to come down the pipe in 45 days.

Edited July 26, 20232 yr by mspencer

47 minutes ago, mspencer said:

I don't think there are any real avionics changes. The flaps settings are different of course. The team behind the flight model and the avionics is the very accomplished Horizon Simulations team which have rehabbed the LVFR A3xx series into a reasonably pleasant experience with realistic performance and avionics tweaks. They've worked hard on the B788 and the flight model seems plausible - similar to the QW B788 from FSX-P3D. 

They've deferred on things like an EFB and future avionics improvements until those come from WT though. No point in creating a fork when those improvements are already scheduled to come down the pipe in 45 days.

Ahh, cool. Yeah, I think Working Title needs to make the in depth avionics/systems changes.

BTW, does anybody know the difference between Horizon Simulations and Kuro (Kurorin)? The Kuro 787 is named after Kurorin I assume, but did Kurorin come out with his/her modification of the 787 first, and then Horizon Simulations helped Kurorin part way through?

 

6 hours ago, abrams_tank said:

Ahh, cool. Yeah, I think Working Title needs to make the in depth avionics/systems changes.

BTW, does anybody know the difference between Horizon Simulations and Kuro (Kurorin)? The Kuro 787 is named after Kurorin I assume, but did Kurorin come out with his/her modification of the 787 first, and then Horizon Simulations helped Kurorin part way through?

 

I'm pretty sure he mainly just did the model and animations, etc., and they did the flight dynamics.