I am also ready to pay a subscription for much better than what I currently see. Right now MSFS is so average in a lot of areas.

1 minute ago, filou said:

I am also ready to pay a subscription for much better than what I currently see. Right now MSFS is so average in a lot of areas.

What's a better sim, just curious?

 

47 minutes ago, Noel said:

I stated my agenda in crystal clarity:  go back and read about the evolved sim I described that I would pay for. Tell me, do you subscribe to any streaming services for entertainment?  Netflix?  Max? How about your mobile phone bill?  Internet?  Anything?  I see people coughing up $4000 for a new PC when the old PC would run the sim very well.  I would HAPPILY pay $360/year for the sim I described.  I don't see this as a bargaining issue at all--what I see is a small niche market with no guarantee of a future on a number of fronts.

So let's say the sim gets to the awesome level of completeness I outlined.   If MS came out and said you can continue to use the old MSFS 2020 which will remain in its current state largely, or move to the new 2024 tricked out as I described at a cost of $30/month, which would you do?  

I agree the thread is pure speculation.  I'm not speculating they will go to subscription basis, but have no qualms if they do provided the sim matures fully as described.

use the old MSFS 2020

1 minute ago, Maxis said:

I think i'm going to put you on ignore after this but just a bit of context here. Since your making assumptions for me.

I had to give up simming at FS9 .. Do you know why that is ? I don't think so .. let me tell you.  From the moment i purchased my first pc in college i have had to barter, buy and sell used pc components and added a little to the proceeds to afford the next step up. Why ? because i couldn't afford to buy outright a brand new PC. I managed to be happy with what i had ( a Core 2 Duo) for FS9 and then FSX came out. purchased it .. and i couldn't run it. Couldn't afford a better spec pc and had to give up simming. 

Enter MSFS2020 and with the lead time of the announcement to the release date was able to save money for OVER A YEAR to be able to afford a new PC for the sim. In the mean time i sat there using that old core ii duo PC from fs9 days up until Aug of 2020 when the final pc parts arrived. So no sir just because i have a decent system now does not mean i can afford a 30 dollar a month sub.

I refrained from liking or upvoting the rather harsh comments about you having more money than sense .. But with your irrational thinking and outright ignorance and callousness to the people you interact with on this forum i think i will leave it at "if the cap fits .... let them wear it. Because they deserve it.

I'm guessing you're the exception Maxis on Avsim.  I read of people here going out and picking up the latest RTX and I9-13900K and all the goes with it.  Obviously you're on a tight budget I fully understand and glad you can play at all.  And I also understand what I said was for an unlimited access sub for a future sim devoid of any real issues, $30/month is reasonable, in 2024, inflation as it is.  They might also offer a Silver Subscription for X hours access monthly, for $9.99/month, and the Gold for $20.  As well, they could continue MSFS 2020 for no subscription.  That's all.  Take a deep breath...

4 hours ago, Bobsk8 said:

the part is on back order, so I won't get it back for awhile...😉

Bet you didn't see that coming <grin>

2 minutes ago, banjoman1960 said:

use the old MSFS 2020

Great, you're covered.

5 minutes ago, Bobsk8 said:

What's a better sim, just curious?

 

What i dont get 🙂 (other than everything) is how a subscription model equates to a better sim.

3 minutes ago, Noel said:

Great, you're covered.

hope so,but how know.........but pay 30 per month,i can´t...........

11 minutes ago, Noel said:

I'm guessing you're the exception Maxis on Avsim.  I read of people here going out and picking up the latest RTX and I9-13900K and all the goes with it.

No, he is not the exception. I'm running the sim on an I7 4790k, @sidfadc have been using the same and many others here. Of course you only see people posting they picked up the latest RTX and I9's because those who didn't are not posting...

1 hour ago, Noel said:

I just like the sim enough to cough up $30/month if that's what it takes to keep it afloat.  Whereas you, apparently not.   And the others too apparently not, even those who go out and blow $4K on the latest hardware 🙃

So, by your admission, if you're not willing to pay $30/month, then you don't like the sim enough to keep it afloat? This argument is absurd and you've been wading into some silly reason-making attempts with your other comments. Yes, people do pay for entertainment, through a subscription based service, but it doesn't mean I want to pay for another one. Furthermore, why would I? Jorg has repeatedly said that the MSFS2020 was a huge success. It's not like MS is hurting for cash. This whole thread is just plain silly and based completely off unfounded thoughts of the OP and you who continue to support the idea that 2024 will be subscription based. There's literally nothing there to suggest it will be. 

1 hour ago, icewater5 said:

What i dont get 🙂 (other than everything) is how a subscription model equates to a better sim.

Did someone suggest it de facto is?

Surprised we haven't yet had the usual type of posts:

• "Costs less than a meal out"
• "Cheaper than golf"
• "Going to the cinema is more expensive"
• "Costs less than a round of alcoholic beverages, etc.

Seeing as though Microsoft isn't a charity (and people like comparing flight swimming costs to other real world prices), how about MS charge us the same price as a Sky Sports TV package, just £24 / €28 / $31 per month?

Actually, we're flying. So perhaps a flight in MSFS should cost flight simmers the same as a low cost short-haul flight? No, make that the same as a flight lesson in a Cessna.

No, wait! We can go to the edge of Space in MSFS. Therefore, MS should charge the same as a seat on Virgin Galactic's VSS Unity. $450,000 is a bargain to see Earth's digital twin from the Mesosphere...

Sign me up!

1 hour ago, Alvega said:

No, he is not the exception. I'm running the sim on an I7 4790k, @sidfadc have been using the same and many others here. Of course you only see people posting they picked up the latest RTX and I9's because those who didn't are not posting...

Just curious, would you quit if the sub fee was $10/month?

24 minutes ago, Bdub22 said:

you who continue to support the idea that 2024 will be subscription based

Wrong--I only said I'd happily pay $30/month if that's what it took to address and maintain the bullets in my initial post.  I NEVER said 2024 would be subscription based.

You said I said this but nuh uh I said the other thing

You were the one that said that

MSFS 2024 will not be a subscription model = the community will be in an uproar

MSFGS 2024 will be a subscription model = the community will be in an uproar

How many more handbags must die painful horrible deaths as they are wildly swung and swatted

Edited July 12, 20232 yr by Stoopy