1 hour ago, MarcG said:

https://forums.flightsimulator.com/t/engine-shutdown-breaks-immersion-in-vr/

I've never seen this to be honest.

I do see that bug, each an every time I switch the aircraft completely off (last switch is usually the battery). It happened with my previous headset which was WMR, and it still happens with my current headset which is not a WMR (was SteamVR, now OpenXR)

12 minutes ago, Daube said:

I do see that bug, each an every time I switch the aircraft completely off (last switch is usually the battery). It happened with my previous headset which was WMR, and it still happens with my current headset which is not a WMR (was SteamVR, now OpenXR)

I wonder what I'm doing differently. Shutting down the PMDG 737 or Fenix A320 I see nothing.

Isn't there a setting in MSFS somewhere to turn off the logbook popping up on shutdown? I think I have that set to off.

4 hours ago, turbomax said:

Coincidence or do they try to harm their opponents  investments?

You could buy two Pimax Crystals for the price of one Apple VR set, and still have money left over to buy out the PMDG store. 

I could be wrong, because the Cult of Mac will buy a $1,000 rock if it has an Apple logo on it, but I suspect that particular product isn't going to do terribly well unless Apple execs stop doing lines off the bathroom counter and drop the price to something more reasonable. M$ has no particular need to harm that investment.

MS/WMR dropped the ball long ago. Even though I still enjoy my Samsung O+ and Reverb 2. I feel Meta are leading the way in PCVR.
WMR could have taken advantage of the VR race years ago if they had focused on official WMR Exclusive VR titles like Halo VR or Forza VR spearheading the WMR catalogue. Just as Sony are doing with Gran Turismo with the PSVR2. Samsung made the best WMR headsets imo (Odyssey Plus) and I wish Samsung would have just chosen SteamVR as the main ecosystem instead of WMR back then. Now it seems they have just moved on and we’ll never see a 3rd gen Samsung Odyssey and we are only stuck with HP Reverbs in WMR. Kudos to Meta for consistently trying to stay ahead in the VR race as even Sony’s console PSVR2 tech is quickly catching up.

1 hour ago, threegreen said:

I wonder what I'm doing differently. Shutting down the PMDG 737 or Fenix A320 I see nothing.

Isn't there a setting in MSFS somewhere to turn off the logbook popping up on shutdown? I think I have that set to off.

Yes, there is a setting to disable the appearance of the logbook on the screen when finishing the flight. But despite this, when switching off the battery (or sometimes it's the avionics one, depends on the plane, not too sure anymore), you get a kind of "teleportation" of your viewpoint (the plane doesn't move, only your head) to the initial position for a second or two, before coming back to the normal position. As if your headset tracking had lost your position for a second. That's the bug.

About the fact that you don't see that bug in the Fenix or the PMDG, I suspect this might be due to the fact that the systems of these birds do not rely on the standard systems of the sim. Try it again with a default plane. Switch it on from cold and dark, take off, land again and switch it off. See what happens.

Edited December 22, 20232 yr by Daube

38 minutes ago, blueshark747 said:

Kudos to Meta for consistently trying to stay ahead in the VR race

I think they need more than a few friendly Kudos.

"In an earnings update, released last week, the company revealed its Reality Labs VR and AR division lost a hefty $13.7 billion last year, $3.5 billion more than it lost in 2021. By Marco Marcelline February 5, 2023 (Credit: Chesnot/Getty Images) It’s not looking rosy for Meta’s VR operations, at least in a financial sense."

"It’s worth noting that Meta’s metaverse division is expected to report staggering operating losses exceeding USD50 billion by the conclusion of the year."

https://investor.fb.com/investor-news/press-release-details/2023/Meta-Reports-Third-Quarter-2023-Results/default.aspx

 

Edited December 22, 20232 yr by turbomax

51 minutes ago, blueshark747 said:

Kudos to Meta for consistently trying to stay ahead in the VR race as even Sony’s console PSVR2 tech is quickly catching up.

The problem is that Meta is an objectively terrible company run by an objectively terrible person who thinks, among other things, that it's perfectly fine to non-consensually target depressed people with intentionally-depressing Facebook feeds as a sick unauthorized psychological experiment. They're not getting a dime of my money, ever. 

 

35 minutes ago, eslader said:

The problem is that Meta is an objectively terrible company run by an objectively terrible person who thinks, among other things, that it's perfectly fine to non-consensually target depressed people with intentionally-depressing Facebook feeds as a sick unauthorized psychological experiment. They're not getting a dime of my money, ever. 

 

Meta's Quest 3 is pretty much carrying the future of VR on it's back at this point.

As far as the Zuck/Facebook's agenda well...welcome to our capitalistic way of life.

It just comes with the territory....

Even with this new VR tech that seems so genuinely grassroots enthusiastic, it still comes with a non- consensually targeted crypto agenda from the developers.

https://somniumspace.com/

https://www.gemini.com/cryptopedia/somnium-space-what-is-an-nft-marketplace#section-somnium-space-tokenomics

Gotta pick your poison at this point, never gonna get a grassroots VR utopia without the bean counter capitalistic agenda other half.

Edited December 22, 20232 yr by blueshark747

1 hour ago, turbomax said:

"In an earnings update, released last week, the company revealed its Reality Labs VR and AR division lost a hefty $13.7 billion last year, $3.5 billion more than it lost in 2021. By Marco Marcelline February 5, 2023 (Credit: Chesnot/Getty Images) It’s not looking rosy for Meta’s VR operations, at least in a financial sense."

I found it hard to believe that running a business of designing and making Meta Quest 3 would cost tens of billions of $$. If they sold 1 million Quest 3, that's $13k loss per headset. How could it be? I wonder either Meta got hugely ripped off by third party contractors or they have 100x too many engineers and are overpaying by an order of magnitude.

Edited December 22, 20232 yr by FlyIce

33 minutes ago, FlyIce said:

I found it hard to believe that running a business of designing and making Meta Quest 3 would cost tens of billions of $$.

... said Mark Zuckerberg .... 🤣

5 hours ago, threegreen said:

I've never seen this to be honest.

It happens at the end of every flight but imo the detriment is a bit overblown and far from game breaking. Just another quirk in an otherwise pretty incredible overall experience

Edited December 22, 20232 yr by ZLA Steve

1 hour ago, blueshark747 said:

Gotta pick your poison at this point

I don't disagree, but for me personally "pushing people toward suicide" is one of the places I'm gonna draw the line.

This morning MS officially announced WMR will be supported until late 2026 and will not leave this version of Windows, so as suspected, there is substantial life left in this ecosystem for the time being.

https://www.uploadvr.com/windows-mixed-reality-headset-support-end-date/

1 hour ago, FlyIce said:

I found it hard to believe that running a business of designing and making Meta Quest 3 would cost tens of billions of $$

A large part of their expense is in R&D in other areas than the Quest. Meta is trying to become the Google of VR, so they're investing boatloads of dollars trying to develop what might become core apps and technologies in VR.