January 30, 20242 yr Commercial Member The reason I ask is the Just Flight version is for FSX but sometmes FSX versions of aircraft do work in P3D. Granted, I know there could be limitations. Just tried an FSX CLS MD-80 in P3D and it looked great but I need n MD-87. Anybody?!?? Intel i9-12900KF, Asus Prime Z690-A MB, 64GB DDR5 6000 RAM, (3) SK hynix M.2 SSD (2TB ea.), 16TB Seagate HDD, Gigabyte GeForce 5080 RTX, Corsair iCUE H70i AIO Liquid Cooler, UHD/Blu-ray Player/Burner (still have lots of CDs, DVDs!) Windows 10, (hold off for now on Win11), EVGA 1300W PSUNetgear 1Gbps modem & router, (3) 27" 1440 wrap-around displaysFull array of Bravo, Saitek and GoFlight hardware for the cockpit. Varjo and HP VR headsets for mixed reality.
January 30, 20242 yr If it works at all, it would likely only work in 32-bit P3D (V3), unless the panel only uses XML gauges. Anything containing C gauges compiled for a 32-bit ESP sim like FSX is pretty much a non-starter (literally) in 64-bit P3D (v4 and later). The Leonardo Maddog has an MD-88 extension and does work with 64-bit P3D. Bob Scott | President and CEO, AVSIM Inc ATP Gulfstream II-III-IV-V Sys1 (MSFS20+24/XPlane12+11): AMD 9800X3D, water 2x240mm, MSI MPG X670E Carbon, 64GB GSkill 6000/30, nVidia RTX4090FE Alienware AW3821DW 38" 21:9 GSync, 2x4TB Crucial T705 PCIe5 + 2x2TB Samsung 990 SSD, EVGA 1000P2 PSU, 12.9" iPad Pro Thrustmaster TCA Boeing Yoke, TCA Airbus Sidestick, Twin TCA Airbus Throttle quads, PFC Cirrus Pedals, Coolermaster HAF932 case Sys2 (P3Dv5/v4): i9-13900KS, water 2x360mm, ASUS Z790 Hero, 32GB GSkill 7800MHz CAS36, ASUS RTX4090 Samsung 55" JS8500 4K TV@60Hz, 3x 2TB WD SN850X 1x 4TB Crucial P3 M.2 NVME SSD, EVGA 1600T2 PSU Fiber link to Yamaha RX-V467 Home Theater Receiver, Polk/Klipsch 6" bookshelf speakers, Polk 12" subwoofer, 12.9" iPad Pro PFC yoke/throttle quad/pedals with custom Hall sensor retrofit, Thermaltake View 71 case, Stream Deck XL button box Sys3 (DCS/P3Dv4/ATS/ETS): AMD 7800X3D, MSI MPG X870E Carbon, Noctua NH-D15S, 64GB GSkill 6000/30, EVGA RTX3090 Alienware AW3420DW 34" 21:9 GSync, Corsair HX1000i PSU, 4TB Crucial T705 PCIe5 + 2TB Samsung 970Evo Plus, TM TCA Officer Pack, Saitek combat pedals, TM Warthog, TM RS300 FF wheel/pedals, Coolermaster HAF XB case
January 31, 20242 yr Clutch, if you had success with the "standard length" MD-80, you should get the same results with the MD-87: I understand the -87 requires the CLS MD-81 installed. If tthis fails, I guess you'll be facing the same work @MammyJammy did for the DC-10: The advantage here is that, since both are CLS products, they will probably use the same Doug Dawson DLLs, and the work to be done would be very similar. Best regards,Luis Hernández Main rig: self built, AMD Ryzen 7 5700X3D (with SMT off and CO -50 mV), 2x16 GB DDR4-3200 RAM, Nvidia RTX 5060Ti 16GB, 256 GB M.2 SSD (OS+apps) + 2x1 TB SATA III SSD (sims) + 1 TB 7200 rpm HDD (storage), ID-Cooling SE-224-XTS air cooler, Viewsonic VX2458-MHD 1920x1080@120-144 Hz (G-sync compatible), Windows 11. Running P3D v5.4 (with v4.5 scenery objects as an additional library, just in case), FSX-SE, MSFS2020, MSFS2024 and even FS9! Lossless Scaling for all my sims. What a godsend...Mobile rig: ASUS Zenbook UM425QA (AMD Ryzen 7 5800H APU @3.2 GHz and boost disabled, 1 TB M.2 SSD, 16 GB RAM, Windows 11 Pro). Running FS9 there .VKB Gladiator NXT Premium Left + GNX THQ as primary controllers. Xbox Series X|S wireless controller as standby/mobile.
January 31, 20242 yr Author Commercial Member Ended up giving it a try. Missing landing gear and the cockpit. Intel i9-12900KF, Asus Prime Z690-A MB, 64GB DDR5 6000 RAM, (3) SK hynix M.2 SSD (2TB ea.), 16TB Seagate HDD, Gigabyte GeForce 5080 RTX, Corsair iCUE H70i AIO Liquid Cooler, UHD/Blu-ray Player/Burner (still have lots of CDs, DVDs!) Windows 10, (hold off for now on Win11), EVGA 1300W PSUNetgear 1Gbps modem & router, (3) 27" 1440 wrap-around displaysFull array of Bravo, Saitek and GoFlight hardware for the cockpit. Varjo and HP VR headsets for mixed reality.
January 31, 20242 yr Now why anyone would want to fly the MD series when you can't deploy the thrust reversers all the way (actually you can but you lose all rudder control) is beyond me 🙂 ... if you're really into MD series, suggest the Leonardo variants and use of runway friction utility here: https://secure.simmarket.com/fsps-frictionality-p3d.phtml It's makes landing on wet, ice/snow surface much more realistic.
January 31, 20242 yr 2 hours ago, Clutch Cargo said: Ended up giving it a try. Missing landing gear and the cockpit. Sounds like another Doug Dawson DLL needs to be updated. Do you know if the model is DX9 or DX10? I don't remember the MD-87 being marketed as HD or something like that, but I do remember it wasn't compatible with FS9. Best regards,Luis Hernández Main rig: self built, AMD Ryzen 7 5700X3D (with SMT off and CO -50 mV), 2x16 GB DDR4-3200 RAM, Nvidia RTX 5060Ti 16GB, 256 GB M.2 SSD (OS+apps) + 2x1 TB SATA III SSD (sims) + 1 TB 7200 rpm HDD (storage), ID-Cooling SE-224-XTS air cooler, Viewsonic VX2458-MHD 1920x1080@120-144 Hz (G-sync compatible), Windows 11. Running P3D v5.4 (with v4.5 scenery objects as an additional library, just in case), FSX-SE, MSFS2020, MSFS2024 and even FS9! Lossless Scaling for all my sims. What a godsend...Mobile rig: ASUS Zenbook UM425QA (AMD Ryzen 7 5800H APU @3.2 GHz and boost disabled, 1 TB M.2 SSD, 16 GB RAM, Windows 11 Pro). Running FS9 there .VKB Gladiator NXT Premium Left + GNX THQ as primary controllers. Xbox Series X|S wireless controller as standby/mobile.
January 31, 20242 yr 3 hours ago, CO2Neutral said: Now why anyone would want to fly the MD series when you can't deploy the thrust reversers all the way (actually you can but you lose all rudder control) is beyond me 🙂 ... if you're really into MD series, suggest the Leonardo variants and use of runway friction utility here: https://secure.simmarket.com/fsps-frictionality-p3d.phtml It's makes landing on wet, ice/snow surface much more realistic. Frictionality ? never heard of it till now but it looks like a great utility for friction tuning. Pity it doesn't support the 64 bit sims... 🙁 Ryzen 5800X clocked to 4.7 Ghz (SMT off), 32 GB ram, Samsung 1 x 1 TB NVMe 970, 2 x 1 TB SSD 850 Pro raided, Asus Tuf 3080Ti P3D 4.5.14, Orbx Global, Vector and more, lotsa planes too. Catch my vids on Oz Sim Pilot, catch my screen pics @ Screenshots and Prepar3D
February 3, 20242 yr Author Commercial Member Luis, are you suggesting a Doug Dawson DLL fix could resolve the issues? It's not s much I am into the MD series (but I remember liking them), and we do have the MadDog. This is a request from a client, so we are looking into the possibility of reviving the 87 to be used in P3D. So if anyone knows how to do this... I would luv to hear how. Edited February 3, 20242 yr by Clutch Cargo Intel i9-12900KF, Asus Prime Z690-A MB, 64GB DDR5 6000 RAM, (3) SK hynix M.2 SSD (2TB ea.), 16TB Seagate HDD, Gigabyte GeForce 5080 RTX, Corsair iCUE H70i AIO Liquid Cooler, UHD/Blu-ray Player/Burner (still have lots of CDs, DVDs!) Windows 10, (hold off for now on Win11), EVGA 1300W PSUNetgear 1Gbps modem & router, (3) 27" 1440 wrap-around displaysFull array of Bravo, Saitek and GoFlight hardware for the cockpit. Varjo and HP VR headsets for mixed reality.
February 4, 20242 yr On 1/30/2024 at 11:33 PM, Clutch Cargo said: The reason I ask is the Just Flight version is for FSX but sometmes FSX versions of aircraft do work in P3D. Granted, I know there could be limitations. Just tried an FSX CLS MD-80 in P3D and it looked great but I need n MD-87. Anybody?!?? The Coolsky MD-80s and DC-9 work fine for me in P3D. If you want to fly the MD this would be an option as they have the steam gauges and glass cockpit versions.
February 5, 20242 yr On 2/4/2024 at 11:41 AM, simfan1983 said: The Coolsky MD-80s and DC-9 work fine for me in P3D. If you want to fly the MD this would be an option as they have the steam gauges and glass cockpit versions. This is one of the things I like so much about P3D. There are so many resources at the internet where you can find nice scenery, aircraft or tools for the sim. But every now and then I am surprised with the name of a developer I never heard of. In this case Coolsky. I checked their website and their MD80 and DC9 look really nice. Don't know about the system depth in this AC, but it's worth checking that. I bookmarked their site. I think there are far more unknown jewels hidden somewhere in the internet for our beloved sim.
February 5, 20242 yr Just now, Rein2 said: This is one of the things I like so much about P3D. There are so many resources at the internet where you can find nice scenery, aircraft or tools for the sim. But every now and then I am surprised with the name of a developer I never heard of. In this case Coolsky. I checked their website and their MD80 and DC9 look really nice. Don't know about the system depth in this AC, but it's worth checking that. I bookmarked their site. I think there are far more unknown jewels hidden somewhere in the internet for our beloved sim. The system depth is great with the Coolsky aircraft, and they have tutorials and lots of liveries. There are a couple of patches you will need and the textures are not PBR, but on the whole it's a good product IMO.
February 5, 20242 yr On 2/3/2024 at 1:57 PM, Clutch Cargo said: Luis, are you suggesting a Doug Dawson DLL fix could resolve the issues? I hope so. The only base I have for this is the work done on the DC-10. Despite all my comments in thet thread, I never installed it (I should give it a try). Best regards,Luis Hernández Main rig: self built, AMD Ryzen 7 5700X3D (with SMT off and CO -50 mV), 2x16 GB DDR4-3200 RAM, Nvidia RTX 5060Ti 16GB, 256 GB M.2 SSD (OS+apps) + 2x1 TB SATA III SSD (sims) + 1 TB 7200 rpm HDD (storage), ID-Cooling SE-224-XTS air cooler, Viewsonic VX2458-MHD 1920x1080@120-144 Hz (G-sync compatible), Windows 11. Running P3D v5.4 (with v4.5 scenery objects as an additional library, just in case), FSX-SE, MSFS2020, MSFS2024 and even FS9! Lossless Scaling for all my sims. What a godsend...Mobile rig: ASUS Zenbook UM425QA (AMD Ryzen 7 5800H APU @3.2 GHz and boost disabled, 1 TB M.2 SSD, 16 GB RAM, Windows 11 Pro). Running FS9 there .VKB Gladiator NXT Premium Left + GNX THQ as primary controllers. Xbox Series X|S wireless controller as standby/mobile.
February 5, 20242 yr Author Commercial Member Luis, do you know where one could find this DLL? Is the DC-9 close to the MD-87? Intel i9-12900KF, Asus Prime Z690-A MB, 64GB DDR5 6000 RAM, (3) SK hynix M.2 SSD (2TB ea.), 16TB Seagate HDD, Gigabyte GeForce 5080 RTX, Corsair iCUE H70i AIO Liquid Cooler, UHD/Blu-ray Player/Burner (still have lots of CDs, DVDs!) Windows 10, (hold off for now on Win11), EVGA 1300W PSUNetgear 1Gbps modem & router, (3) 27" 1440 wrap-around displaysFull array of Bravo, Saitek and GoFlight hardware for the cockpit. Varjo and HP VR headsets for mixed reality.
February 5, 20242 yr AFAIK, the aforementioned Dawson DLLs are sound modules, and he published some 64-bit compatible replacements for them years ago. I think they're still available on the FSDeveloper website. That said, I really, really doubt that's going to fix issues like missing the landing gear and cockpit. Bob Scott | President and CEO, AVSIM Inc ATP Gulfstream II-III-IV-V Sys1 (MSFS20+24/XPlane12+11): AMD 9800X3D, water 2x240mm, MSI MPG X670E Carbon, 64GB GSkill 6000/30, nVidia RTX4090FE Alienware AW3821DW 38" 21:9 GSync, 2x4TB Crucial T705 PCIe5 + 2x2TB Samsung 990 SSD, EVGA 1000P2 PSU, 12.9" iPad Pro Thrustmaster TCA Boeing Yoke, TCA Airbus Sidestick, Twin TCA Airbus Throttle quads, PFC Cirrus Pedals, Coolermaster HAF932 case Sys2 (P3Dv5/v4): i9-13900KS, water 2x360mm, ASUS Z790 Hero, 32GB GSkill 7800MHz CAS36, ASUS RTX4090 Samsung 55" JS8500 4K TV@60Hz, 3x 2TB WD SN850X 1x 4TB Crucial P3 M.2 NVME SSD, EVGA 1600T2 PSU Fiber link to Yamaha RX-V467 Home Theater Receiver, Polk/Klipsch 6" bookshelf speakers, Polk 12" subwoofer, 12.9" iPad Pro PFC yoke/throttle quad/pedals with custom Hall sensor retrofit, Thermaltake View 71 case, Stream Deck XL button box Sys3 (DCS/P3Dv4/ATS/ETS): AMD 7800X3D, MSI MPG X870E Carbon, Noctua NH-D15S, 64GB GSkill 6000/30, EVGA RTX3090 Alienware AW3420DW 34" 21:9 GSync, Corsair HX1000i PSU, 4TB Crucial T705 PCIe5 + 2TB Samsung 970Evo Plus, TM TCA Officer Pack, Saitek combat pedals, TM Warthog, TM RS300 FF wheel/pedals, Coolermaster HAF XB case
February 5, 20242 yr 1 hour ago, Rein2 said: This is one of the things I like so much about P3D. There are so many resources at the internet where you can find nice scenery, aircraft or tools for the sim. But every now and then I am surprised with the name of a developer I never heard of. In this case Coolsky. I checked their website and their MD80 and DC9 look really nice. Don't know about the system depth in this AC, but it's worth checking that. I bookmarked their site. I think there are far more unknown jewels hidden somewhere in the internet for our beloved sim. The system depth is definitely study level, one could even say training level. The graphics are FS9 vintage though. A great buy for the money. Vic green
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