Wrong forum but good info for all to know (VR)

[Dillon 2,197]

DO NOT Update Windows 11 IF you have a REVERB G2! YOU HAVE BEEN WARNED! How to Guide | MSFS, DCS (youtube.com)

What's concerning is Apple and the Steam solutions are all over VR and once again Microsoft will have to circle back around playing catchup on a solution they already had in house.  This is why XPlane is so important as MS could do this at any time with MSFS no matter how successful and innovative it is.  When dumb people are in charge stupid things happen.😔

[David Mills 4,774]

I would be very interested in hearing from anyone who's used the new Apple Vision Pro headset with MSFS.

[Dillon 2,197]

10 minutes ago, David Mills said:

I would be very interested in hearing from anyone who's used the new Apple Vision Pro headset with MSFS.

It doesn't work with Windows applications from what I hear.

[Tierborn 188]

1 hour ago, David Mills said:

I would be very interested in hearing from anyone who's used the new Apple Vision Pro headset with MSFS.

Not very well.  PCVR gaming with Apple Vision Pro will be limited.

Edited February 10 by Tierborn

[HiFlyer 9,363]

 

[Matt Sdeel 46]

Nice subject title. Let's see if this message thread is also closed. (I hope not since I find it useful). There was one similarly related post regarding VR last year that was almost immediately closed by a moderator after one reply. It made me think that maybe the moderators of this forum discourages use of VR in MSFS, and I'm wondering if there are alternatives to VR. If you have both TrackIR and VR, is TrackIR comparable to VR?. Thanks.

[charliearon 3,025]

Not necessary to close but it belongs in the MSFS 2020 VR forum.

[FBW737 512]

1 hour ago, Matt Sdeel said:

If you have both TrackIR and VR, is TrackIR comparable to VR?. Thanks

I've used TrackIR on a large screen 55 to 60" with the IR camera mounted behind my head and I use to use a Samsung Odyssey+ WMR VR headset too. Initially I found VR very compelling and it is. But my brain figured out it was fake and bizarrely even the 3D kinda went flat! I've been back to TrackIR with large screen for a long time and although I'd give VR another go at the right time, I'm more than happy with TrackIR for now.

Edited February 11 by FBW737

[Dillon 2,197]

2 hours ago, Matt Sdeel said:

Nice subject title. Let's see if this message thread is also closed. (I hope not since I find it useful). There was one similarly related post regarding VR last year that was almost immediately closed by a moderator after one reply. It made me think that maybe the moderators of this forum discourages use of VR in MSFS, and I'm wondering if there are alternatives to VR. If you have both TrackIR and VR, is TrackIR comparable to VR?. Thanks.

There's no comparison between the two.  If you have good visuals and performance in VR it's hard to go back to 2D.  VR is the future but the price of admission and configuring to get the best results leave many out the game hence Microsoft's pull back from it.  But just like VC's replaced 2D panels in FS, CRT monitors replaced by flat screens, VR will be the standard in the not-so-distant future.  Microsoft will be behind the ball and will have to come full circle on something they should have further developed in the first place (But what's new on that front with this company. Actually, I thought we were done with that short-sighted culture when Steve Ballmer left). So in essence VR is better than TrackIR it's just the adoption rate is slow.  We need headsets to come down to around $350 with good performance then it will take off.  Whoever is first to figure out charging $1500 for head mounted devices is not a smart business strategy will come out ahead.  They'll move more product with something that gets decent visuals/performance and a price that's easy on the average simmer and the Quest 3 is not it (a headset hardwired to the video card with it's own power plug not battery get's the best results for sims).🧐

[Matt Sdeel 46]

40 minutes ago, Dillon said:

Quest 3 is not it

What's a better alternative  in Quest 3's price range?

[Matt Sdeel 46]

45 minutes ago, Dillon said:

I thought we were done with that short-sighted culture when Steve Ballmer left

Yup, Ballmer left after Steve Job's devastating comment on Ballmer in his last-words letter he wrote before he died as documented in Isaacson's biography on Steve Jobs.

Steve Jobs:
"I have my own theory about why decline happens at companies like IBM or Microsoft. The company does a great job, innovates and becomes a monopoly or close to it in some field, and then the quality of the product becomes less important. The company starts valuing the great salesmen, because they’re the ones who can move the needle on revenues, not the product engineers and designers. So the salespeople end up running the company. John Akers at IBM was a smart, eloquent, fantastic salesperson, but he didn’t know anything about product. The same thing happened at Xerox. When the sales guys run the company, the product guys don’t matter so much, and a lot of them just turn off. It happened at Apple when Sculley came in, which was my fault, and it happened when Ballmer took over at Microsoft. Apple was lucky and it rebounded, but I don’t think anything will change at Microsoft as long as Ballmer is running it."

[FBW737 512]

The silver lining to this is you won't be able to give WMR headsets away so if you are willing to forgo windows updates for the next 2 or 3 years your could have top shelf headset for next to nothing. I might consider it. Windows is word not allowede anyway.

[Donka 645]

2 hours ago, Matt Sdeel said:

What's a better alternative  in Quest 3's price range?

There is none. Quest 3 is the entry point now for VR and a very good option if set up correctly with strong hardware feeding in IMHO. Pico 4 is probably the bargain basement option but Pico's future is uncertain. 

[turbomax 3,286]

8 hours ago, charliearon said:

but it belongs in the MSFS 2020 VR forum

and to keep a permanent link to this post would still be very useful in the 2D forum for users who don't yet have a WMR headset but plan to get one in the future. that will be an unpleasant awakening if they unsuspectingly upgraded to the new windows version without a backup only to find out their new HP G2 doesn't work anymore.

[Tierborn 188]

7 hours ago, Matt Sdeel said:

What's a better alternative  in Quest 3's price range?

If you are looking to spend money in the price range of the Quest 3, get the Quest 3.  I really enjoy MSFS in VR with quest 3.

 

Edited February 11 by Tierborn