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38 minutes ago, Fielder said:

He's baaaack!

With an easier way to "simple install" DLSS 3.7

(he adds this as message  #1)

"IMPORTANT: In order to get Preset E to work, you HAVE to use the DLSSTweaks process. Without it, you will not get the full benefit. It's not just as simple as using DLSS Swapper and swapping the files."

At 11:40 he shows how to confirm which presets you are actually using (by viewing a .log file which lists all the presets now actually being used).

I don't know how loud I have to shout in here to be heard: DLSS Tweaks is NOT a simple method 🙂 🙂 🙂

And no, you don't HAVE to use DLSS Tweaks for Preset E to work! Are we in the same thread?!

(and yes, I saw the video just after it was posted). 

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1 hour ago, Cpt_Piett said:

Interesting. Been running preset E at 4K, and I might have noticed "smearing" on a few occasions. That was in the 146 though which is a steam gauge aircraft. Is the effect more pronounced on glass cockpits? Horrendous is a pretty strong word...

I haven't noticed any shimmer so far. Going to do a flight in the A300 now, still on Eager Donkey. 

It's more pronounced in glass cockpits. I've been testing with the Fenix A320 and I'd honestly classify the result as horrendous when using Preset E. It's important to note that this is solely related to the smearing of text (e.g. PFD during takeoff or turning the dials). It does a much better job at eliminating shimmer, of course.

Preset F has ever so slightly worse shimmer over Preset E but much less smear. It's very close to being the solution I've sought for so long. I wish it didn't bother me so much because DLAA looks so good!

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Once IslandSimPilot clarified his video today, correcting his from a day earlier, I've got smoother and nicer vids and performance. But I also did the 2 tweaks by VirtuSim from his video he posted yesterday. So who knows why my sim is running better. Sometimes it's hard to say what accomplished what.

The two .reg files by VirtuSim do install the 2 new regkeys like they are supposed to, but they did not set the value of those keys for me. So I did that bit manually. One of VirtuSim registry mods runs MSFS in top affinity every time is starts (high priority). The other one removes Gamebar Presence Writer completely from Windows. GPW runs in the background of every game or sim collecting data.

 

 


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16 hours ago, Cpt_Piett said:

Been running preset E at 4K, and I might have noticed "smearing" on a few occasions. That was in the 146 though which is a steam gauge aircraft. Is the effect more pronounced on glass cockpits?

@Cpt_Piett Just one small question. I own a 4K Monitor and a RTX 4080. Does it make sense to use DLDSR to upscale the Picture as suggested by your guide? This puts my RTX 4080 under a pretty heavy load, which I think you have also outlined somewhere in the last few days. Or should I just go with the native 4K Resolution in the Sim, combined with DLSS (v3.7 and the new Preset E) and Quality or Ultra Quality or even DLAA in the Sim? Thanks

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4 hours ago, Lonesome Cowboy Burt said:

I find the proliferation of OTT Clickbait titles quite off putting ...I dont click on them and probably miss some good stuff

Can’t disagree with that. I have a tendency to fall into traps like that and get burned. That happened yesterday when I did one of the registry tweaks which effectively disabled the Xbox game bar screenshot function. 

Thing is though, if it hadn’t been for Virtusim, I wouldn’t have learned how to change DLSS settings in Inspector. So I guess it boils down to not indiscriminately implementing every new and shiny tweak, but hold off for a bit and consider if it’s worth it. Something I’m not very good at (yet), I might add 😅

1 hour ago, eXpress48 said:

@Cpt_Piett Just one small question. I own a 4K Monitor and a RTX 4080. Does it make sense to use DLDSR to upscale the Picture as suggested by your guide? This puts my RTX 4080 under a pretty heavy load, which I think you have also outlined somewhere in the last few days. Or should I just go with the native 4K Resolution in the Sim, combined with DLSS (v3.7 and the new Preset E) and Quality or Ultra Quality or even DLAA in the Sim? Thanks

I’m no longer using DLDSR as I think it’s not worth it (at native 4K). Image quality is not that much better, and I don’t like the 4090 running at 99%. No point heating up the room that much and then use air conditioning to cool it down… It’s probably worth looking into for native 1080 and 1440 though.

Im very happy running DLSS+DLAA. Great antialiasing, very little shimmering, excellent image quality! No smearing of fast moving numbers with preset F, but quite bad with preset E. 

DLSS ultra quality at 0.85x native is also very good. Give both a try and see what suits you best 😊

 

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Most confusing and contradicting topic ever in AVSIM🤣

With a RTX4xxx series card we have native frame generation...

So my understanding is to replace both DLSS files into MSFS content directory with file version 3.7.0 (the regular one can be done via DLSS swapper) and the frame generation one manual (nvngx_dlssg_3.7.0)

So far this was my process in the past with DLSS and DLAA set in MSFS.

Now I can enable via inspector preset E (which still reads unused) and it should work? personally I'm not a fan of preset F anyway..

No need for anything else, all those videos posted here despite the good intentions just causes only more confusion for 4xxx users

Is this recap correct?

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11 minutes ago, virtualstuff said:

Most confusing and contradicting topic ever in AVSIM🤣

1000% agree! I had promised to stay away from this thread after getting dizzy from the confusing and contradictory information. After a good night’s sleep, I seem to have thrown myself back in, something I’ll most likely regret. I’m pretty passionate about image quality though, as I’m sure many fellow simmers are.

I got really worked up about the DLSS Tweaks method as I believe it’s unnecessarily confusing and convoluted.

But yeah, just use inspector to select either profile E or F, then test the different DLSS combos like I mentioned above. Or was that in the other DLSS update thread? 🤔 

10 minutes ago, virtualstuff said:

Is this recap correct?

In my opinion, yes.

 

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42 minutes ago, Cpt_Piett said:

Can’t disagree with that. I have a tendency to fall into traps like that and get burned. That happened yesterday when I did one of the registry tweaks which effectively disabled the Xbox game bar screenshot function. 

Thing is though, if it hadn’t been for Virtusim, I wouldn’t have learned how to change DLSS settings in Inspector. So I guess it boils down to not indiscriminately implementing every new and shiny tweak, but hold off for a bit and consider if it’s worth it. Something I’m not very good at (yet), I might add 😅

I’m no longer using DLDSR as I think it’s not worth it (at native 4K). Image quality is not that much better, and I don’t like the 4090 running at 99%. No point heating up the room that much and then use air conditioning to cool it down… It’s probably worth looking into for native 1080 and 1440 though.

Im very happy running DLSS+DLAA. Great antialiasing, very little shimmering, excellent image quality! No smearing of fast moving numbers with preset F, but quite bad with preset E. 

DLSS ultra quality at 0.85x native is also very good. Give both a try and see what suits you best 😊

 

Really?!? No longer using DLDSR?

I'm still using it as the difference at distance when turning the Smoothness down to 20% makes a huge difference to me. I will, however, try native 4K for a while again to see what it feels like. It's just always looked a bit soft to me and I don't like the NCP Sharpness slider (which you can reenable to replace Image Scaling in the newer versions of the drivers).

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12 minutes ago, mmcmah said:

Really?!? No longer using DLDSR?

I'm still using it as the difference at distance when turning the Smoothness down to 20% makes a huge difference to me. I will, however, try native 4K for a while again to see what it feels like. It's just always looked a bit soft to me and I don't like the NCP Sharpness slider (which you can reenable to replace Image Scaling in the newer versions of the drivers).

Haha, it was new and shiny when I first discovered it, as many things are 😅 It’s actually the only thing so far that has made the 4090 run at 99-100%. At 4K it barely breaks a sweat. I might start using DLDSR again next winter 😉 

I really like the DLSS+DLAA combo, been running it for about a week now. I’ll probably stop using preset E though as I finally encountered the smearing / ghosting / fruit machine effect. Whats a fruit machine anyway?? @bobcat999

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6 minutes ago, Cpt_Piett said:

Haha, it was new and shiny when I first discovered it, as many things are 😅 It’s actually the only thing so far that has made the 4090 run at 99-100%. At 4K it barely breaks a sweat. I might start using DLDSR again next winter 😉 

I really like the DLSS+DLAA combo, been running it for about a week now. I’ll probably stop using preset E though as I finally encountered the smearing / ghosting / fruit machine effect. Whats a fruit machine anyway?? @bobcat999

Even with HDR on, which adds about 10-20% to the utilization within MSFS, I find that I don't go above 83% utilization at 1.78x on a 4K screen and with almost everything on Ultra (textures are high because they consume too much VRAM at the high resolutions, and clouds are at high because I don't find that Ultra looks that good).

A fruit machine is a slot machine that you see at casinos where the wheels that spin have fruits or other drawings on them. They spin so quickly that you see a smeared image as they spin.

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@Cpt_Piett  Yes, as @mmcmah says above.  More well known as a slot machine in the US.  Also know as a 'one armed bandit' here as well due to the one lever you pull to lose your money!  :biggrin:

When all of the melons, cherries, lemons, plums, oranges, and grapes (I think I got them all!) go spinning past really fast, they get blurred, and this is what the speed and altitude tapes can look like on things such as the PMDG 737 flat panels when they are moving quickly - only when using DLSS of course.

I hope you have lemons, melons and cherries etc. on your slot machines in the US, or I will feel even more stupid.  :wacko:

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55 minutes ago, mmcmah said:

Really?!? No longer using DLDSR?

I'm still using it as the difference at distance when turning the Smoothness down to 20% makes a huge difference to me. I will, however, try native 4K for a while again to see what it feels like. It's just always looked a bit soft to me and I don't like the NCP Sharpness slider (which you can reenable to replace Image Scaling in the newer versions of the drivers).

Well I believe that doesn't work with GSYNC, which I prefer in combination with TIR it's butter smooth... then again I'm at 2K so different story...


 

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8 minutes ago, bobcat999 said:

 

I hope you have lemons, melons and cherries etc. on your slot machines in the US, or I will feel even more stupid.  :wacko:

Haha! I haven't been to a casino in a while, but I believe some slot machines still have them. They have many other images as well, and most are now electronic, so if they smear, it very much a digital effect a la what we see in MSFS!

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1 minute ago, virtualstuff said:

Well I believe that doesn't work with GSYNC, which I prefer in combination with TIR it's butter smooth... then again I'm at 2K so different story...

What doesn't work with GSYNC? I use GSYNC in my setup. What's TIR?

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