15 hours ago, Patco Lch said:

@Manschy I’m curious to know which version you’re using? Sounds like a great setup.

P3Dv4.5 Yes, a long period meanwhile to collect almost the whole world 😄

On 5/6/2024 at 12:10 AM, Patco Lch said:

Some of the Western states like Arizona and N.M. are good but the Eastern states like SC and GA, not so much. Poor low altitude textures and coloration, well some feel like landing in a bowl of pea soup. You might try one state before any big investment. I prefer ORBX Global Land Class products just for the appearance. I was wanting to look for a better Photoreal South Carolina, my home state.

https://www.fcscenerys.com/united-state-projects - @Patco Lch I have a few of the USA ones, you might like the SC scenery, one season but I think its decent with tons of autogen

Edited June 6, 20242 yr by mattius123

48 minutes ago, mattius123 said:

https://www.fcscenerys.com/united-state-projects - @Patco Lch I have a few of the USA ones, you might like the SC scenery, one season but I think its decent with tons of autogen

Thank you. I’ll certainly check it out.

On 5/3/2024 at 2:05 AM, beechcaptain said:

I am a satisfied P3Dv5.4 user with a whole lot (too numerous to count, so to speak) of addon aircraft and scenery. 

There are several things preventing me from upgrading to P3Dv6 and/or MSFS:

1. Lack of a powerful enough pc (core processor & graphics card) to run them to a level of suitable performance.

2. Lack of enough functional payware scenery & aircraft (PMDG in particular) for P3Dv6

3. Not fond of MSFS requiring internet connection + cloud connectivity to run the type of VA flights I prefer.  I don't like the idea of this, because it is quite likely that one day in the not too distant future, MSFS will lose active support and will end up similar to Aivlasoft EFB server shutting down.  

I have been flight simming since 1984, starting with Sublogic's Flight Simulator II on the Commodore 64.  I have no desire to stop flying, and as long as my system holds up, am happy with what I have.  I like dropping by this forum on a regular basis, to see what, if anything new has been discussed.  I also like to help out with problems if I am able, and appreciate the help provided by others.  That is what keeps P3Dv4 & 5 going - the virtual pilots and support on the avsim forums.  FSX is still surviving, as well, so here is to all of our fellow pilots/supporters - 🍻🥂

I have just moved on from FSX to P3D Version 4.5 and my reasoning for doing so is identical to yours except that I knew my machine would be happier on an older version. Particularly when it comes to a cloud based service. There is no possible way my internet connection would be close to being of a minimal standard, let alone a functional one. I can save Version 6 for when I build something totally new. The problem is that the CPU side of things might not be as great a challenge as it was in the old days but graphics card have gone in the opposite direction and I honestly wouldn't want anything less than a RTX4090 if wanting to get the best out of Version 6 because we are talking about outputting 4K with all the latest bells and whistles.

I remember from around 1999 to 2010 (at least), top end graphics cards cost around the same as a top end consumer based CPU. Ignoring modern CPUs that have enormous numbers of cores (like Threadripper - far beyond what 99% of consumers want or need), the gap in price has nevertheless widened to the point where they are around three times as expensive. The CPU used to be the big spend item, now it is the graphics card. And since I will never wish to spend the asking price for an RTX4090, I will have to wait until that performs becomes the domain of the mid-tier graphics card. I imagine it will be the RTX7070 or RTX8070!!!

4 hours ago, JonP01 said:

I have just moved on from FSX to P3D Version 4.5 and my reasoning for doing so is identical to yours except that I knew my machine would be happier on an older version.

What do you have for GPU and CPU? Even when I had my old 5600X (and my current 3060Ti), my v5 felt better in my machine than v4.5.

It's a 2700X with a 3070. I try to avoid getting into discussions that attempt to establish what definitive minimal, acceptable and good standards are when it comes to performance and image quality since we all have different ideas as to what matters, what doesn't and how annoying (or not) imperfect aspects of a moving image might be. And I have found that flight simming above everything else by a country mile polarises opinion like no other, with people being happy with performance differences easily exceeding an order of several hundred percent and image quality varying from "I couldn't bare to live with it myself" to image quality that I wish I could achieve myself - and everything in between.

Another thing that helped P3D a lot is this Lossless Scaling app, and its 2X/3X frame generation modes. This is giving new life into P3D. After seeing the thread Rogen opened here, I'm considering v4 again, but running with 3X FG. My v4/v5 dilemma is yet to be resolved again 😂

2 minutes ago, JonP01 said:

t's a 2700X with a 3070. I try to avoid getting into discussions that attempt to establish what definitive minimal, acceptable and good standards

Hahaha, no problem! I'll just say your rig is not bad at all, in case you feel like trying v5 anytime.

 

 

I will look into that scaling app - looks very interesting. I'm also tossing up whether to get a 5700X CPU to replace the 2700X since the performance difference is quite reasonable - roughly 35% faster - which could help a bit when it comes to running the ton of ORBX scenery I have purchased over the last four years, all of which is stated to work with either V4 or V5. It would also go straight into the mainboard with the BIOS upgrade I did last week prior to installing Windows 11.

As for V5, I might take a look since let's face it, in the scheme of things a P3D Academic licence only costs as much as one high end aircraft add-on. The re-purchase of my two A2A aircraft in their P3D versions will cost far more than the P3D licence did!! I assume Lockheed Martin allow the same person to hold concurrent licences for different versions assuming they pay for each one separately.

3 hours ago, JonP01 said:

I assume Lockheed Martin allow the same person to hold concurrent licences for different versions assuming they pay for each one separately.

I have V5 and V6 installed and could install V4 if I wanted as it`s on my backup drive still.

3 hours ago, JonP01 said:

I'm also tossing up whether to get a 5700X CPU to replace the 2700X since the performance difference is quite reasonable - roughly 35% faster

Since you're thinking about a CPU upgrade, please consider the 5700X3D and 5800X3D as other options. I went to a 5700X3D and I don't regret it. Somehow benchmarks don't favor the X3D processors as games and sims do.

 

3 hours ago, JonP01 said:

The re-purchase of my two A2A aircraft in their P3D

Your V4 is a Professional version?

1 hour ago, Luis Hernandez said:

Since you're thinking about a CPU upgrade, please consider the 5700X3D and 5800X3D as other options. I went to a 5700X3D and I don't regret it. Somehow benchmarks don't favor the X3D processors as games and sims do.

 

Your V4 is a Professional version?

I was only interested in the new CPU because they were selling them on special (till 4th July) for half price. The special was only for the standard 5700X, not the 3D versions. If it had not been for the half price special (WOW packaging - I will use the Noctua heatsink fan I already have), I wouldn't have bothered at all. I doubt I would see any difference whatsoever in P3D between a 5700X and a 5700X3D given that my setup is already very close to being GPU limited.

I have the academic version.

Edited June 14, 20241 yr by JonP01

13 hours ago, JonP01 said:

If it had not been for the half price special (WOW packaging - I will use the Noctua heatsink fan I already have), I wouldn't have bothered at all

Makes sense.

 

Guys, I wanna announce something. Those of you interested - me and FC Scenery are going to collaborate. More information on this place:

 

On 5/2/2024 at 3:11 AM, jcomm said:

I would just love to see this activity find corresponding support from some developers, like FSLabs. I honestly believe that should FSLabs offer an upgrade of their fleet for P3D v5 for P3D v6, even paid - by a symbolic ammount - many users would easily get P3D v6 and start using it.

 

I just can't see things like this happening.

MilViz said they stopped selling P3D addons because the sales were in the single digits and the support costs weren't worth it.

Many other P3D 3rd party devs have completely stopped P3D dev, too.

Even PMDG have recently halted sales.

I think P3D is there for those who already have it, or are interested in alternatives that don't exist in other sims at a similar level of fidelity (e.g., A2A warbirds & Majestic Q400, FSL Concorde, various MilViz addons, and the PMDG 747s, ).

It's going to be like owning a good quality car for the long term. What we have works fine, there's lots of choices, etc.

If any devs do come back and at least add an v6 installer, that'd be great. If they have time to support the actual new features, then we might see something.

But for now, I can hardly see it unless a particular developer just has nothing else to do. Something I doubt many, if any, are experiencing.

On 6/14/2024 at 3:35 AM, JonP01 said:

I was only interested in the new CPU because they were selling them on special (till 4th July) for half price. The special was only for the standard 5700X, not the 3D versions. If it had not been for the half price special (WOW packaging - I will use the Noctua heatsink fan I already have), I wouldn't have bothered at all. I doubt I would see any difference whatsoever in P3D between a 5700X and a 5700X3D given that my setup is already very close to being GPU limited.

I have the academic version.

A CPU investment is probably worth doing but FWIW if you think about moving to V5 or V6 your RTX 3070 GPU is more than capable. I had mine running on v5.3 and it was running fine with medium settings applied.If your CPU can run stable between 4.5Ghz-5Ghz you should be fine.

I ran into only a couple of cases where the RTX 3070 could not hack it. Having Orbx Brisbane city scenery is a VRAM hog and 8Gb is not enough. The recently released TFDI MD-11 is not well optimized for P3D and also needs more than 8GB VRAM. Apart for those two exceptions I have been pretty much been able to run everything I have purchased for v4 and v5.

Also I think you mentioned you had concerns over internet bandwidth. Unlike MSFS, all P3D scenery is resident on your hard disk/SSD for v5 so there is no massive Gb scenery download from the cloud that will slow your sim down.

For v6, I am sure that is also the case, but the LM requirement states you need an internet connection to use/fly in the sim. I assume the bandwidth being used is negligible in this regard.

Good luck with your system upgrades. Enjoy the sim.Let us know how you get on.