13 minutes ago, Fiorentoni said:

His "strong opinions" are about the company, not the product. 

Hence it lacks any validity!

5 minutes ago, ha5mvo said:

Hence it lacks any validity!

What validity does one need in order to consider a company not-to-do-business with, if not severe privacy violations?

I think you're still missing the point and do not understand he was *not* talking about the (quality etc.) of the product (the FSL A320).

Exactly. It had nothing to do with the product. It's about the ethics of a company asking me to trust them by installing their software on my system. I WANTED to buy their product. I was somewhat jealous of people who did have it and seemed to enjoy it very much.

My opinion is 100% valid. For me. I'm not trying to convince anyone to buy or not by a product. Go take a long walk off a short pier, pal. If you trust a company that would do that, then it's on you. FSL didn't write the malware, so they really don't know if it was sending data to someone else as well as themselves. It was a bad, unethical decision. Period. If you can live with that, fine, but don't poo-poo other's opinions just because you don't like them.

My company writes and sells custom software. Our customers place their trust in us when we sell and install it on their system. They assume that our software does what is intended, and ONLY what was intended. We can't just decide on our own that we want data that we don't normally need, and send it to ourselves without informing the customer.   

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Now that Fenix is going to release their A319/A321 package today, what else are they still working on? The winglets version, but that won't keep them busy for too long.

So they might have started working or are close to work on a new project. Did they already gave clues about it?

If they are working on the A32X NEO family, then FSL might hurry if they are also working on a NEO project. Because they could also be burned badly.

 

Maybe this was an old project and we know how long FSL need to complete a project but I really think they missed the boat due to the Concorde and even more by working on a P3D Concorde in 2023 (sorry, P3D fans, it's just my opinion and I'm not here to bash P3D).

Concorde is a niche aircraft even if it stays a legendery aircraft. But it's not the kind of aircraft that can find a wide audience (even in msfs) due to the fact that this is an aircraft that will put off a majority of users due to it's complexity. Even an FSL A320 would generate more sales than the Concorde.

The time they wasted on Concorde will never be back. I just hope that parralel to concorde, they focused on another project, not seen before and able to catch a wide audience. 

Right now, the best bet would be a FSL A220. It's needed and the competition is not fierce yet and FSL can probably release a really good A220.

I’m hoping someone tackles an A340-200/300.  
 

They’ve never really been done to a super high bar, they’re gorgeous aircraft, and lots of operators to choose from. 

7 hours ago, Ray Proudfoot said:

I should also add performance is pretty poor even on my system. It took some good detective work by a fellow member to identify the issue but it does impact on fuel movement on the FE panel.

I finally got decent performance by using Lossless Generation.

Ray, your system would run MSFS amazingly well.  
 

Should’ve saved your pennies on the P3D 777 and bought the MSFS version.  It’ll perform much better and would be a nice transition to the “new” sim for you.  

@ATRguy, I have my reasons why I won't buy MSFS. I'll keep those to myself so as not to antagonise those who don't understand me.

How about 60fps in Concorde (or the 777) over London inbound to Heathrow with 220+ AIG Ai in the area. Sounds pretty good to me.

1 minute ago, Ray Proudfoot said:

@ATRguy, I have my reasons why I won't buy MSFS. I'll keep those to myself so as not to antagonise those who don't understand me.

How about 60fps in Concorde (or the 777) over London inbound to Heathrow with 220+ AIG Ai in the area. Sounds pretty good to me.

Sure does, and you’d do even better in the other sim.  
 

But as long as you’re happy with what you’ve got, that’s what counts. 

6 hours ago, ha5mvo said:

Hence it lacks any validity!

This is a bizarrely illogical statement.  "Hence" means "it follows".  It does not at all follow that because his statement is about the company vs the product, it lacks validity.  The two things aren't even related. 

You seem not to be aware of the background here.  FSL bundled password scraping malware into their aircraft back in p3d.  This isn't rumor, or a twisting of events - it actually happened. 

When caught (and accusations proved), their only defense was that it was to detect attempted activation of pirated copies.  The problem is, they were collecting ALL passwords used, not just the pirated ones.  

Even if you believe that they had no intent to use any of the passwords collected (personally, I do believe that) there are serious ethical and legal violations related to doing this without advising customers their data was being collected.  Any collection of sensitive data can itself be hacked or stolen by anyone else, and if the people doing the collecting did so illegally in the first place (and then threatened legal action against those that exposed them lol), who is responsible? 

As noted, they also didn't write the malware themselves and so had no way of knowing what all it was doing, other than sending THEM the passwords.  What do you suppose the odds are it was also sending them somewhere else? 

It's anyone's personal decision whether or not they want to do business with this kind of dev (who never even really apologized for this), and I'm not suggesting you shouldn't be able to buy their work.  But you can't just pretend this kind of thing didn't happen when we know it did.

On 8/18/2024 at 11:56 AM, Scottoest said:

Anyway, my money is on Concorde - especially if they plan to make it compatible with Xbox.  The Concorde is a very well known and legendary aircraft, and will probably get a lot of curiosity purchases if it doesn't price out the larger MSFS audience.

There's already a Concorde available for Xbox & PC.

They have to take great care with their pricing model, especially for Xboxers, who have proven to be extremely price conscious.

On 8/18/2024 at 12:00 PM, Ray Proudfoot said:

Absolutely no chance of that. It has extremely complex systems including a full Flight Engineer’s panel. In P3D over 24Gb of RAM is used when systems are started. No way can it work with XBox.

Maybe, maybe not.

Folks forget that the Xbox X is a relatively high spec gaming PC running a stripped down version of Windows.

It performs well.

E.g., the PMDG birds work fine there

14 hours ago, Ray Proudfoot said:

I can because i mentioned XBox users last year on their forum and Andrew Wilson said it wouldn’t run on Xbox.

Have you ever owned an FSL Concorde? It’s extremely complex with a FE panel and 13 fuel tanks with all switches and valves operational. Time will tell but unless there’s been something transformational it won’t happen.

I should also add performance is pretty poor even on my system. It took some good detective work by a fellow member to identify the issue but it does impact on fuel movement on the FE panel.

I finally got decent performance by using Lossless Generation.

All that could just be caused by coding practices rather than some mystical level of complexity.

14 hours ago, Ray Proudfoot said:

One big difference. Speed. What’s the Vr speed of a DC6? Much slower than Concorde of course so you need to keep one step ahead or you’re in trouble. With virtually everything being done for you by the VC the initial workload is small. Many aren’t happy they can’t control fuel transfer.

Anyway, you’ve confirmed Xbox isn’t an option so that’s put that to bed. As for performance in MSFS time will tell.

Nope.

My old gaming computer, which is slower than an Xbox, can handle a real-time multi-player radar & missile engagement in a Mach 2 F-14 Tomcat, along with an AI back seater handling a ton of dynamic events.

All while delivering fantastic graphics and ultra realistic graphics, flight model and onboard systems 

That FSL have chosen not to develop for Xbox is simply that: their choice. Nothing whatsoever to do with limitations of Xbox.

I don't blame them, it is more difficult to optimize code for the Xbox framework, and a lot of devs  don't want to go to the effort of adjusting.

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15 minutes ago, UrgentSiesta said:

Nope.

My old gaming computer, which is slower than an Xbox, can handle a real-time multi-player radar & missile engagement in a Mach 2 F-14 Tomcat, along with an AI back seater handling a ton of dynamic events.

All while delivering fantastic graphics and ultra realistic graphics, flight model and onboard systems 

That FSL have chosen not to develop for Xbox is simply that: their choice. Nothing whatsoever to do with limitations of Xbox.

I don't blame them, it is more difficult to optimize code for the Xbox framework, and a lot of devs  don't want to go to the effort of adjusting.

Wrong they can't develop on xbox because of the DRM that runs outside like the Fenix. Asobo/Microsoft don't allow it on marketplace.

17 minutes ago, carlanthony24 said:

Wrong they can't develop on xbox because of the DRM that runs outside like the Fenix. Asobo/Microsoft don't allow it on marketplace.

LoL - that is still a choice they're making and not a side effect of their supercalafragilistic addon 😂