P3D Lossless Scaling for P3D

[Shomron]

1 hour ago, Ray Proudfoot said:

I wrote this up for someone who didn’t want to ask in public…

Here's what you need to do. Download RTSS from here. Install it to the default location.

Then go into P3D - Options - Graphics and set VSync = On, Target Frame Rate = Unlimited.

Set your Windows Display to 60fps. Right-click Desktop and choose Display Settings. Select Advanced Display half-way down. Choose 60Hz from the drop-down.

Now open RTSS from the System Tray or your desktop shortcut. Start With Windows should be On.

On the right side click on Framerate Limit up/down arrows at set it to 20. Then minimise it. Don't close it.

You don't need Steam running. Open the following folder:-
C:\Program Files(x86)\Steam\steamapps\common\Lossless scaling.

Right-click the LosslessScaling.exe and drag it to the desktop. Release and choose Create Shortcut here.

It has a duck on the shortcut. Open it and set the following:-

Scaling Mode=Auto / Fullscreen

Scaling Type = Off

Frame Generation = LSFG 2.2.1

Mode x3

Performance =Off

Rendering Sync mode = Default

Max frame latency = 1

Draw FPS = On

Capture API = DXGI

Assuming you have a single display Multi-display mode = Off.

With P3D running start the Lossless Scaling executable.

Initially it's off. Go to a busy airport  Press Shift+Z four times to show the fps top left. Confirm it's 20 or close.

Press CTRL+Shift+D to start Lossless generation.

The P3D titlebar will disappear and you should see 20 / 60 in the top left.

If you do all is well. If you don't it's possible that key combo is clashing with some existing setting. I use CTRL+Shift+M.

You can use the key combo to turn it off as I find menu actions work better with it off.

I’m unsure how FreeSync would work with this. I suggest you disable it and have a fixed 60Hz refresh rate.

Yes, no title bar visible. Ideally you should have the Scenario Screen showing as an option so you can easily change aircraft, location or time. It sounds like you’re going straight into P3D. Not ideal as the black screen indicates.

Thank you!! Will try this

[sloppysmusic]

3 hours ago, Ray Proudfoot said:

It sounds like you’re going straight into P3D. Not ideal as the black screen indicates

No, I have the scenario screen show always on start-up. The dialog at centre screen with default scenario showing right? Where I can load flight or select vehicle/airport/plan? How else would I be able to select a flight? Still noob here!

3 hours ago, Ray Proudfoot said:

I would argue monitors with an ISP display aimed at video / photographic work are of a higher quality than an equivalent sized TV.

Well, that's not really an argument! Those monitors are just higher quality tvs without a receiver ( a flat screen is a flat screen, albeit of a mulitude of panel size/quality/features).

 

3 hours ago, Ray Proudfoot said:

The advantage of a TV is when you want a screen size >32”. Very few quality monitors go larger than 32”

Indeed, I've used 4k screens since 2013 when my eyesight near vision started failing. Further away big screen = no glasses! Also as the end user of my video productions was almost certainly watching the dvds/blurays on a consumer tv I felt using reference color matching/balance on a pro Sony Trinitron video monitor was not beneficial any more. I did keep a 14" ref CRT monitor for broadcast ref around though (sadly that was left on sidewalk once the flat panels took over completely. Should have kept it for old console gaming though, psx/ps2 component cables.

[Luis Hernandez]

10 hours ago, Shomron said:

Interesting! Does this work with any GPU series?

I've made it work in my laptop, that has an integrated AMD GPU (which is way less capable than a 1080), so let's say yes. I never tried in Intel iGPUs.

10 hours ago, Shomron said:

Does it work in full screen mode?

If you mean P3D, it's actually borderless windowed, so yes, it works with no issues at all. Now, if you mean FS9 and FSX, I don't know: neither Win10 or Win11 liked their full-screen mode, so I had to go windowed.

4 hours ago, Ray Proudfoot said:

I wrote this up for someone who didn’t want to ask in public…

Thank you very much, Ray!

4 hours ago, Ray Proudfoot said:

I’m unsure how FreeSync would work with this. I suggest you disable it and have a fixed 60Hz refresh rate.

In previous versions it didn't work. They say now it's compatible, but I never felt any differences between keeping a fixed 120 Hz refresh rate (while running P3D at 2x30 FPS or even 4x30 FPS) or enabling G-Sync compatible. Just a microstutter just at 30 FPS if I have G-Sync enabled (that magically disappears at either 29 or 31 FPS). At least I don't have any errors. Maybe in better monitors you can see the difference.

Edited September 20, 2024 by Luis Hernandez

[Ray Proudfoot]

1 hour ago, sloppysmusic said:

No, I have the scenario screen show always on start-up. The dialog at centre screen with default scenario showing right? Where I can load flight or select vehicle/airport/plan? How else would I be able to select a flight? Still noob here!

Some people opt to go straight into the sim by bypassing the Scenario screen. 
I’m confused by what you said here…

“Every time i load a flight I get black screen so have to alt enter then right click the p3d icon and select maximise to get the session viewable. BW mode would of course fix this.”

When you exit P3D are you in Windowed or Full Screen mode? I suspect the latter so switch to windowed and it should solve the black screen.

1 hour ago, sloppysmusic said:

Well, that's not really an argument! Those monitors are just higher quality tvs without a receiver (

I disagree but let’s leave it at that as it’s off topic.

[Shomron]

8 hours ago, Ray Proudfoot said:

I wrote this up for someone who didn’t want to ask in public…

Here's what you need to do. Download RTSS from here. Install it to the default location.

Then go into P3D - Options - Graphics and set VSync = On, Target Frame Rate = Unlimited.

Set your Windows Display to 60fps. Right-click Desktop and choose Display Settings. Select Advanced Display half-way down. Choose 60Hz from the drop-down.

Now open RTSS from the System Tray or your desktop shortcut. Start With Windows should be On.

On the right side click on Framerate Limit up/down arrows at set it to 20. Then minimise it. Don't close it.

You don't need Steam running. Open the following folder:-
C:\Program Files(x86)\Steam\steamapps\common\Lossless scaling.

Right-click the LosslessScaling.exe and drag it to the desktop. Release and choose Create Shortcut here.

It has a duck on the shortcut. Open it and set the following:-

Scaling Mode=Auto / Fullscreen

Scaling Type = Off

Frame Generation = LSFG 2.2.1

Mode x3

Performance =Off

Rendering Sync mode = Default

Max frame latency = 1

Draw FPS = On

Capture API = DXGI

Assuming you have a single display Multi-display mode = Off.

With P3D running start the Lossless Scaling executable.

Initially it's off. Go to a busy airport  Press Shift+Z four times to show the fps top left. Confirm it's 20 or close.

Press CTRL+Shift+D to start Lossless generation.

The P3D titlebar will disappear and you should see 20 / 60 in the top left.

If you do all is well. If you don't it's possible that key combo is clashing with some existing setting. I use CTRL+Shift+M.

You can use the key combo to turn it off as I find menu actions work better with it off.

I’m unsure how FreeSync would work with this. I suggest you disable it and have a fixed 60Hz refresh rate.

Yes, no title bar visible. Ideally you should have the Scenario Screen showing as an option so you can easily change aircraft, location or time. It sounds like you’re going straight into P3D. Not ideal as the black screen indicates.

Sorry Ray I was wrong - I have a 30 hz screen, what should be changed in this case in the instructions you've provided?

 

Thanks

[Ray Proudfoot]

2 hours ago, Shomron said:

Sorry Ray I was wrong - I have a 30 hz screen, what should be changed in this case in the instructions you've provided?

Thanks

If you have a 30Hz screen it’s almost certainly going to have a 60Hz option. I’d be amazed if it didn’t.

Post your make and model of monitor and I’ll check tomorrow.

[Shomron]

2 hours ago, Ray Proudfoot said:

If you have a 30Hz screen it’s almost certainly going to have a 60Hz option. I’d be amazed if it didn’t.

Post your make and model of monitor and I’ll check tomorrow.

Samsung SAMU32J590UQM. A few years old 🙂
But I’ve researched and I’m probably using a high speed HDMI cable rather than a premium high speed one to support this monitor. Will update…

Edited September 21, 2024 by Shomron

[Ray Proudfoot]

@Shomron, a search reveals this…

”This Samsung UJ59 monitor maintains a 60Hz refresh rate for a smooth visual performance. It uses AMD® FreeSync™ technology that synchronizes the refresh rate of the graphics card to reduce screen tearing or stuttering during content streaming or gaming.”

I doubt the cable is the issue. You may need to turn off Freesync.

[Shomron]

18 minutes ago, Ray Proudfoot said:

@Shomron, a search reveals this…

”This Samsung UJ59 monitor maintains a 60Hz refresh rate for a smooth visual performance. It uses AMD® FreeSync™ technology that synchronizes the refresh rate of the graphics card to reduce screen tearing or stuttering during content streaming or gaming.”

I doubt the cable is the issue. You may need to turn off Freesync.

From my research if you have an older version HDMI cable it won’t support 60 hz (I don’t even have a DisplayPort connecting my GPU with the screen).

in any case I’ve ordered one and will also look into disabling freesync.

Thanks for the help!

[sloppysmusic]

On 9/20/2024 at 5:04 PM, Ray Proudfoot said:

When you exit P3D are you in Windowed or Full Screen mode? I suspect the latter so switch to windowed and it should solve the black screen.

Solved the issue or rather bypassed it. Not at pc now but there is an option in there something like "stretch window to blank /black out desktop". 

When I turned this off p3d flight now loads in a small window which I immediately maximise of course. 

It seemed the option was actually blanking out the sim not the desktop as the opposite of what it said was true. 

This small window appears to be the ideal sim start method for this app so as I've finally got the sim to dip down from a smooth 60 to 30 by maxing every slider I'll have a go this weekend. 

Thanks for posting the configs Ray /everyone. 

[Shomron]

I got it to work and it indeed brings a smoother experience! But - I did not reduce the resoution in-game from 4K to 2K which I assume is the whole point of the app? Where do I choose the resolution target for scaling?

Another question @Ray Proudfoot - how do I know if setting in RTSS 20 or 30 for target fps is better for my setup? I could also choose 30 fps as a target in RTSS and choose X2 mode accordingly in the app?

Is there a recommended tutorial for the app?

Shomron

Edited October 1, 2024 by Shomron

[Ray Proudfoot]

1 hour ago, Shomron said:

Where do I choose the resolution target for scaling?

In Windows. Everything is controlled by what you set in Display Options.

 

1 hour ago, Shomron said:

Another question @Ray Proudfoot - how do I know if setting in RTSS 20 or 30 for target fps is better for my setup? I could also choose 30 fps as a target in RTSS and choose X2 mode accordingly in the app?

Experiment by all means. By dropping to 20fps and using x3 that allowed me to increase the Ai % to maximum. Scenery complexity from Dense to Extremely Dense with no drop in performance.

1 hour ago, Shomron said:

Is there a recommended tutorial for the app?

Nope. Try different settings such as 15fps and x4 or 30fps and x2. See what works for you.

[Shomron]

18 minutes ago, Ray Proudfoot said:

In Windows. Everything is controlled by what you set in Display Options.

So if my display setting on windows is set to 4k and in game I down scale to 2k the app should make it appear as 4K with minimal impact on performance? I actually did that but setting in game to 2K with lossless scaling working did not improve the resolution at all.

[Ray Proudfoot]

8 minutes ago, Shomron said:

So if my display setting on windows is set to 4k and in game I down scale to 2k the app should make it appear as 4K with minimal impact on performance?

Where are you setting a different resolution in the “game”?  I’m not aware such a setting can be made. You’ll suffer a loss of quality. Always stick with the native resolution of your monitor.

[IanHarrison]

8 hours ago, Ray Proudfoot said:

Experiment by all means. By dropping to 20fps and using x3 that allowed me to increase the Ai % to maximum. Scenery complexity from Dense to Extremely Dense with no drop in performance.

 

But do be aware that it does not give you any more Vram. If you run out of memory now, you will still run out of memory if you increase settings beyond what your system can handle.