6 hours ago, antic81 said:

I think there’s two things I can add here. One, no 172 flies the same, each has its quirks and slightly different performance. I flew quite a few different airframes and they all flew just a little differently.

Makes absolute sense. It would be ridiculous to imagine any one frame is in exactly the same condition as another, or that any sim test could replicate the exact conditions of a real world test. Which suggests the very premise of this type of home testing in a sim is just not very meaningful. They may have the veneer of objectivity or science (hey, they have engineering / maths words and graphs!), but scratch the surface just a little, and you’ll find too many issues to be of any use.

OTOH, we could also say that if these “””tests””” are producing results within a fraction of second of each other (2020/2024/real world), then doesn’t that show the FM is actually quite robust?

Maybe ‘feel’ is the most reliable indicator after all, however imprecise and unsatisfying that might be for some.

2 hours ago, sloppysmusic said:

If they'd made it "Airline World Airbus vs Boeing" and released one great A and one great 7 I think it still would be huge.

Really don't think so personally. I've played most of the other sim games over the years, and was quickly bored of playing "control the cockpit". Every time, I was disappointed that the world I was flying in was a poor representation of the world I live in. 2020 got me interested and excited again. And based on the numbers of new players it has attracted over the past four years, I don't believe I am alone. 

 

2 hours ago, sloppysmusic said:

 

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Edited October 16, 20241 yr by OneOfMany

I have a couple of 100 hours IRL, mostly in gliders. Flown some odd aircraft but never anything with more than one engine... I have aerobatics certification for gliders.

To me, just taking a spin around the local club in a 172 feels much better than in 2020. More directional stability in som parts where sims are normally too "flimsy", and less in some where you are departing from the normal flight envelope. The thing that really makes the immersion soo much better is the landings. Just did a landing in heavy crosswind and had the best representation of that in a sim yet. You real pilots know what i am talking about. Most of times on a final you don't think of the fact that the nose is 20% off to the right and you are constantly doing rather big corrections in all directions... After landing a passenger might say: wow that landing was a bit scary, and you had to fight the trubulence really hard... Did I? You did not think about it...

And then you just straight it out the last bit with some ground effect kicking in, and it might not be 100% straight and you get some side G. The thing missing is naturally the butt feeling when you pass through some turbulence 😉

 

33 minutes ago, mazex said:

To me, just taking a spin around the local club in a 172 feels much better than in 2020.

Agree. 2024's C172 is a big improvement as far as I tested. Power-off stalls behave almost exactly like the real thing. Power-on stalls still have a too much exaggerated wing drop, but not too far from the real plane. In 2020 the C172 would wobble widely when you exit the forward slip, much better now in 2024.

Landing sees a big improvement. C172 in 2020 floats way too long on the runway, now it lands just about right.  Overall, the airplane feels much closer to the real C172 in terms of stability and inertia.  

2 minutes ago, FlyIce said:

Agree. 2024's C172 is a big improvement as far as I tested. Power-off stalls behave almost exactly like the real thing. Power-on stalls still have a too much exaggerated wing drop, but not too far from the real plane. In 2020 the C172 would wobble widely when you exit the forward slip, much better now in 2024.

Landing sees a big improvement. C172 in 2020 floats way too long on the runway, now it lands just about right.  Overall, the airplane feels much closer to the real C172 in terms of stability and inertia.  

Nice! Just to confirm, do you fly the 172 in real life?

Edited November 27, 20241 yr by abrams_tank

9 minutes ago, abrams_tank said:

Nice! Do you fly the 172 in real life?

Yes, 260 hours so far.. 

I should add that C172 in 2024 at the final approach of landing can feel dropping a bit too fast, maybe a little over correction of the floaty problem in 2020. I need to fly more to confirm. 

Edited November 27, 20241 yr by FlyIce

On 11/28/2024 at 2:12 AM, FlyIce said:

Overall, the airplane feels much closer to the real C172 in terms of stability and inertia.

That’s good to hear. I’m not a rl pilot, but the inertia was something I could (finally!) feel almost immediately.

2 minutes ago, scotchegg said:

That’s good to hear. I’m not a rl pilot, but the inertia was something I could (finally!) feel almost immediately.

Yeah! I feel it every time I load FS 2024 🤪

Eheheh - THIS IS A JOKE !!!! Can't even complain about the loading times right now... but I couldn't resist 🙂

11 minutes ago, jcomm said:

Yeah! I feel it every time I load FS 2024 🤪

Eheheh - THIS IS A JOKE !!!! Can't even complain about the loading times right now... but I couldn't resist 🙂

Don’t ever change Jose😜

Have you uninstalled 2024 yet?

He's back to X-Plane 12....:)

1 hour ago, scotchegg said:

Don’t ever change Jose😜

Have you uninstalled 2024 yet?

Not even by far! It's staying for GOOD! 

As I wrote in another post: 

And, btw rgd XP12, it's been shelved for even longer than FS 2020... XP12+FS 2020 + P3D5, and unfortunately 6 which I purchased by mistake ... are Talles of the Uninstaller 🤣

But I do use other sims, mostly Condorsoaring (now v3), DCS World and IL2, the last two just from time to time...

Edited November 28, 20241 yr by jcomm

I cannot really compare to 2020 but made just some very few first flights with 2024 and the C172. Having 30h of IRL-experience with the C172. My first reaction is that the flight-feeling felt pleasantly good and natural and close to what I would expect in rea. However I have not been very convinced about the performance and will have to test that further. DUring my very first few short flights, it felt pretty overpowered and my landings were extremely floaty. During approach at around 500fp, flaps 3 and on idle, it started to accelerate when we should be able to keep it more or less at constant speed with 1500 rpm in landing configuration at 60 kts IAS. But I don't know if that is because of a bug with the weather or something else.

The most difficult uninstall decision that I ever made was with Flight Unlimited 3. That really was the end of one of the greatest times in my flight simulation history

On 11/29/2024 at 9:24 AM, Christopher Low said:

The most difficult uninstall decision that I ever made was with Flight Unlimited 3. That really was the end of one of the greatest times in my flight simulation history

Flight unlimited is only sim where I remember managing doing a Lomcevak. No other sim is even close. As I remember it that was in FU2, but long time ago...

Need to try it in MSFS 2024 later, don't expect it to even manage a vertical snap roll to start the rotation that you counter with full throttle and torque counter rotation after that...