1 hour ago, martinboehme said:

Yeah, it feels like ages since I've seen a thread on FS 2000. 😉

LOL...That's awesome.  Thanks for pointing that out.  Never reply when sleepy!

9 hours ago, environmental_ice said:

Too late for what? Who else is making a 757 for 2020 or 2024? Please let me know. Also what about the FBW A380. If FBW doesn't release before FS2024 releases is it then too late? Im not buying that. 

I'm not sure what your comment is referring.  I'm saying the 757 for FS2020 might be somewhat irrelevant and you discuss FS2024.  I believe the excitement and numerous airplanes that come with FS2024 will be enough to satisfy most simmers needs until DEV catch up.  I'm even a little worried about PMDG 747.

How many people stayed on P3D for FSLabs A-320 line-up and their Concorde.  FSLabs was one of the best add-ons and I'm not sure many (maybe some) revered back to P3D for that add-on.

The fact that when they release it in 2025 which I don’t think will be until at least summer, they are releasing it for FS2020. By then everyone will be in FS2024. This is not a brilliant strategy at all. They might as well make it native to FS2024 at this point. I too have moved from excited to meh, let’s see if it ever gets here vis-a-vis, Airsimmer A320 vibe.

1 hour ago, B777ER said:

The fact that when they release it in 2025 which I don’t think will be until at least summer, they are releasing it for FS2020. By then everyone will be in FS2024. This is not a brilliant strategy at all. They might as well make it native to FS2024 at this point. I too have moved from excited to meh, let’s see if it ever gets here vis-a-vis, Airsimmer A320 vibe.

Agreed. They're going to have to change the strategy. My 2020 will be uninstalled on November 20th and long in the past as I don't and never did hoard previous titles on my machines. 

3 hours ago, Dreamflight767 said:

I'm not sure what your comment is referring.  I'm saying the 757 for FS2020 might be somewhat irrelevant and you discuss FS2024.  I believe the excitement and numerous airplanes that come with FS2024 will be enough to satisfy most simmers needs until DEV catch up.  I'm even a little worried about PMDG 747.

How many people stayed on P3D for FSLabs A-320 line-up and their Concorde.  FSLabs was one of the best add-ons and I'm not sure many (maybe some) revered back to P3D for that add-on.

They said they will make the 757 compatible for 2024 for FREE so that's why I brought up 2024. Because of that the 757 will very much be relevant. As will the A380X.

 

Look, this not like Aerosoft where they knew the new sim came with an A330 so they effectively had a window to sell theirs before it became obsolete. 

Also the FSlabs Concorde is a terrible example. if you stayed on P3D you knew for a fact it wasn't coming to MSFS. The 757 IS though. Evidently you think everyone is immediately migrating to the new sim and if that's the case I guess you will just buy the 757 when it's made compatible then? No window being missed in my opinion. 

 

also some of you are kinda ridiculous. If they rushed it and released it right now in an early access unfinished state they would get destroyed here on avsim and called a cash grab. Buuut you are actually okay with that because you will have a new toy to hold you over until November 19th where you will be moving on to FS2024 anyway? Ridiculous 

Edited October 23, 20241 yr by environmental_ice

36 minutes ago, environmental_ice said:

also some of you are kinda ridiculous. If they rushed it and released it right now in an early access unfinished state they would get destroyed here on avsim and called a cash grab. Buuut you are actually okay with that because you will have a new toy to hold you over until November 19th where you will be moving on to FS2024 anyway? Ridiculous 

Simmer down .. none of us with a different opinion to yours attacked you and called you ridiculous. Express your opinion and leave the personalities out of it.

As to the matter at hand.

Bluebird TWICE set two release windows..and they missed them hence the change in outlook and based on that alone the positive outlook to neutral as others here have stated is justified. Apparently the Dev has now learned the lesson ... do not give release dates or periods.  I will also add that even while missing targets the Dev announced a 787 .. not a good look (in my own subjective opinion) if you cannot deliver on the present items yet announce new product. As i have stated in my very first post in this thread the only thing that can be done is to sit and wait as i would prefer the complete product upon release and not something incomplete. That does not excuse the fact that targets were missed. If you are unsure of a deliverable ... don't set them ..

MSFS 2020 will not be the current sim upon release of MSFS2024 in 3 weeks time. You're welcome to stay on whatever sim you like but if a better sim is available i'm moving to it as long as the major components that i use are compatible with it and i will not purchase something for MSFS2020 with that in mind.  I suspect others will do the same as they have already stated in this thread. Again your welcome to do as you please.

With the above two comments in mind i don't see a point at this juncture  in not switching focus to ensure simultaneous compatibility of the two versions on initial release to cover all market segments instead of focusing on the residual msfs2020 market first then moving to msfs2024 with an additional delay. The dev should know to adjust to the needs of the market. but at the end of the day they can do what they want and the consumer will do what they want.

 

Do you disagree with what i wrote ? Ok no problem your entitled to your opinion.

Have a good one.

Edited October 23, 20241 yr by Maxis

28 minutes ago, environmental_ice said:

....Also the FSlabs Concorde is a terrible example. if you stayed on P3D you knew for a fact it wasn't coming to MSFS. The 757 IS though.....

Except that the FS Labs Concorde is coming to MSFS.

2 minutes ago, Maxis said:

Simmer down .. none of us with a different opinion to yours attacked you and called you ridiculous. Express your opinion and leave the personalities out of it.

I'm specifically talking about this imaginary window some are talking of in here. Please come up with something better than "my train is leaving the station energy" otherwise yes it comes off quite ridiculous especially when they said they would bring the 757 to the new sim anyway. Nothing personal here. I tagged no one directly and you only need to head over the the Aerosoft thread to see the point I was making about releasing unfinished payware. Seems devs are dammed if you do and dammed if you dont here on avsim. With that being said you can simmer down yourself pal.

 

8 minutes ago, Maxis said:

 

Bluebird TWICE set two release windows.. they missed them hence the change in outlook and based on that alone the positive outlook to neutral as others here have stated is justified. Apparently the dev has now learned the lesson ... do not give release dates or periods.

Okay Im not talking about them missing their target release date and upsetting people for overextending themselves. This also happens to literally every dev at some point. Dates are mentioned and missed. That's flightsim development for ya but I am not trying to debate how you should feel about that. What Im talking about this weird energy that they have completely missed the boat just because FS2024 is releasing next month. Alright cool you are deleting FS2020 and upgrading. How is this the same as FSLabs going full steam ahead with the Concorde on P3D? One is going to be upgraded to be backwards compatible and actually might work in FS2024 but without native features and the other is stuck in a dying sim. Not even close to the same situation.

 

17 minutes ago, Maxis said:

MSFS 2020 will not be the current sim upon release of MSFS2024 in 3 weeks time. You're welcome to stay on whatever sim you like but if a better sim is available im moving to it as long as the major components that i use is compatible with it and i will not purchase something for MSFS2020 with that in mind.  I suspect others will do the same as they have already stated in this thread. Again your welcome to do as you please.

With the above two comments in mind i don't see a point at this juncture  in not switching focus to ensure simultaneous compatibility of the two versions on initial release to cover all market segments instead of focusing on the residual msfs2020 market first then moving to msfs2024 with an additional delay. The dev should know to adjust to the needs of the market. but at the end of the day they can do what they want and the consumer will do what they want.

 

Do you disagree with what i wrote ? Ok no problem your entitled to your opinion.

Have a good one.

My guy. They said the 757 is going to be upgraded for FS2024 for FREE.  If it wasn't going to be free then I would 100% agree that they are making a bad decision. If there was a way to immediately start making it compatible for FS2024 right now I'm sure they would do it. You dont see FBW, Fenix or PMDG coming out with announcements regarding their aircraft being guaranteed to work with no issues because there isnt enough information to know! When you take into the fact nobody else is working on the 757 you can make a decision like this. Imagine if Aerosoft didn't release their A330 and came out with this exact same statement that they are focusing on releasing for FS2020, Then I would completely understand your logic. Anyone who was going to buy it for FS2020 will buy it for 2024 when its ready so yeah I hard disagree with you.

 

23 minutes ago, environmental_ice said:

I'm specifically talking about this imaginary window some are talking of in here. Please come up with something better than "my train is leaving the station energy" otherwise yes it comes off quite ridiculous especially when they said they would bring the 757 to the new sim anyway. Nothing personal here. I tagged no one directly and you only need to head over the the Aerosoft thread to see the point I was making about releasing unfinished payware. Seems devs are dammed if you do and dammed if you dont here on avsim. With that being said you can simmer down yourself pal.

 

That window does not exist for you and that's fine... I am specifically speaking about that window of purchasing products for MSFS2020 that you keep insisting doesn't exist yet you have already seen that most of us in this thread is not interested in purchasing anything further for MSFS2020 ...  Regardless, What i do get from the tone of your response above is that you seem to want to have some sort of adversarial type of discussion.  I'm not down for that...  life is too short and I've said everything I've needed to.

Additional responses  to your comments

FS Labs is not a factor for me in any way shape of form in this discussion .. Never used their products and unless they are bringing something to market for MSFS2024 that i am interested in i probably never will.

The fact that they stated they will be upgrading the product from MS2020 to 24 does not in anyway negate the argument i made regarding changing focus to make the product  release cross compatible natively (concurrent development) instead of  remaining in this serial mode of development .. The product being  a free update isn't an adequate rebuttal .. This is a discussion about efficiently meeting time to market... not cost.

I am also not "your guy" ..

 

The floor is yours  🙂

 

Edited October 23, 20241 yr by Maxis

34 minutes ago, Christopher Low said:

Except that the FS Labs Concorde is coming to MSFS.

Yes it is....now. Back then That wasn't something you could have banked on back in 2020 and even if you were then it would fall into what some people here are alluding to here and that is a dev not understanding the market. The concorde wont be free either for anyone who had it for P3D.

47 minutes ago, Christopher Low said:

Except that the FS Labs Concorde is coming to MSFS.

Hopefully sometime this century.

People commenting on here of moving to MSFS 2024 next month when it releases but tell me which developers are going to release their aircraft for MSFS 2024 at same time? PMDG, Fenix, FBW...? None - They haven't even started working on it let alone making it compatible, besides who knows how much work is required to make it compatible with the new sim. Might end up having to pay for it again! 

I AM NOT EVEN MOVING TO 2024 version until at least all of the addons are available in new sim.  

1 minute ago, CAP1234 said:

People commenting on here of moving to MSFS 2024 next month when it releases but tell me which developers are going to release their aircraft for MSFS 2024 at same time? PMDG, Fenix, FBW...? None - They haven't even started working on it let alone making it compatible, besides who knows how much work is required to make it compatible with the new sim. Might end up having to pay for it again! 

I AM NOT EVEN MOVING TO 2024 version until at least all of the addons are available in new sim.  

I didn't think anyone would have to explain that when we say we are moving to MSFS 2024 it would be as soon as our essential addons are ready to be ported over  and there will be some overlap.  With that in mind, with the desire of the people looking to move over to the new sim as soon as possible would you want your next "NEW" product purchase be put into your old sim that you want to move away from or your new one that your trying to move to ?

18 minutes ago, Maxis said:

That window does not exist for you and that's fine... I am specifically speaking about that window of purchasing products for MSFS2020 that you keep insisting doesn't exist yet you have already seen that most of us in this thread is not interested in purchasing anything further for MSFS2020 ...  Regardless, What i do get from the tone of your response above is that you seem to want to have some sort of adversarial type of discussion.  I'm not down for that...  life is too short and I've said everything I've needed to.

 

The floor is yours  🙂

 

First off We are talking about ONE product here. Not Product(S). And that product for all intents and purposes is a one time cost whether you buy it when it releases for FS2020 or when its made compatible for FS2024.

 

You are acting like we are going from P3D to MSFS. This new sim is more similar to FS2004 to P3Dv1 in the idea that this addon will all be backwards compatible. The dev has said that the 757 should in theory work in FS2024 and regardless it will be upgraded anyway for FREE to get the native features of FS2024. Im not sure how many times I need to say it but it will be FREE. Are you glossing over that because you keep trying to defend you wont buy products for FS2020 when nobody is saying you need to. Example, If the Fenix works on day one November 19th I would recommend anyone who doesn't have it to buy it even though that is clearly a FS2020 product but they have told us they will make it a free update to get it to work pending its not a ton of extra development work.

Also remember Not everyone will upgrade on the 19th. I will at some point. Its nice to know that if for some reason I am still on FS2020 next summer I can buy with confidence the best and only 757 available and know I wont have to pay again to get a compatible native FS2024 757 either. 

 

8 minutes ago, environmental_ice said:

First off We are talking about ONE product here. Not Product(S). And that product for all intents and purposes is a one time cost whether you buy it when it releases for FS2020 or when its made compatible for FS2024.

 

You are acting like we are going from P3D to MSFS. This new sim is more similar to FS2004 to P3Dv1 in the idea that this addon will all be backwards compatible. The dev has said that the 757 should in theory work in FS2024 and regardless it will be upgraded anyway for FREE to get the native features of FS2024. Im not sure how many times I need to say it but it will be FREE. Are you glossing over that because you keep trying to defend you wont buy products for FS2020 when nobody is saying you need to. Example, If the Fenix works on day one November 19th I would recommend anyone who doesn't have it to buy it even though that is clearly a FS2020 product but they have told us they will make it a free update to get it to work pending its not a ton of extra development work.

Also remember Not everyone will upgrade on the 19th. I will at some point. Its nice to know that if for some reason I am still on FS2020 next summer I can buy with confidence the best and only 757 available and know I wont have to pay again to get a compatible native FS2024 757 either. 

 

We are obviously communicating PAST each other at this point ..However.. your opinion is noted..

 

Have a good one.

Edited October 23, 20241 yr by Maxis