51 minutes ago, CO2Neutral said:

Oh brother, … “the inferior sim” … just can’t communicate without degradation and the bait for the endless VS. discussions consuming bandwidth and bits.  

So you’re advocating the same restrictions as FSX/P3D endured for a decade?  Endless compromises and compatibility code cause you want everything you have to work going forward for the next decade?  

Some of you just have not learned the lesson of progress.

Asobo themselves promised that most addons should work out of the box in 2020. This isn't us demanding they do it.

Edited November 6, 20241 yr by Tuskin38

55 minutes ago, CO2Neutral said:

Oh brother, … “the inferior sim” … just can’t communicate without degradation and the bait for the endless VS. discussions consuming bandwidth and bits.  

So you’re advocating the same restrictions as FSX/P3D endured for a decade?  Endless compromises and compatibility code cause you want everything you have to work going forward for the next decade?  

Some of you just have not learned the lesson of progress.

???
 

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Marketplace Questions

Will all purchases users have made from the Marketplace be transferrable to the new simulator?

With very few exceptions, virtually all add-ons that work in Microsoft Flight Simulator (2020) today will function in Microsoft Flight Simulator 2024. Add-ons that were purchased from the in-simulator Marketplace will not need to be re-purchased in Microsoft Flight Simulator 2024.

Owned MSFS 2020 Content

For any content you purchased outside of the simulator, the Community Folder will continue to work as it did in MSFS 2020. Any content in your MSFS 2020 Community Folder can simply be copied over to the new MSFS 2024 Community Folder, and the vast majority of that content should work in MSFS 2024.

For any content you purchased in the Marketplace in MSFS 2020, that content will show up as owned in the Content Manager (in MSFS 2024 called “My Library”) at launch for you to use in MSFS 2024, and the vast majority of that content should work in MSFS 2024. This availability does not require developers to sign off on their content.

Owned MSFS 2020 Content that has been Upgraded* for MSFS 2024

For content you already purchased in MSFS 2020, upgrades to Microsoft-produced content (e.g. Reno Air Races, Local Legends, Famous Flyers, Expert Series) will be free to you.

For content you already purchased in MSFS 2020, upgrades to all other (non-Microsoft) developers’ content will have two potential options based on each developer’s discretion:

The developer can make the upgrade free.

The developer can choose to charge a fee for the upgrade.

Non-owned Content: Availability in the MSFS 2024 Marketplace

For any content, including existing MSFS 2020 content, developers must sign off that the content is functional for it to appear for sale in the Marketplace.

*Upgraded = built with the MSFS 2024 SDK, Not Upgraded = built with the MSFS 2020 SDK

Source: Microsoft Flight Simulator 2024 FAQ – Microsoft Flight Simulator Support

4 hours ago, Tuskin38 said:

Asobo themselves promised that most addons should work out of the box in 2020. This isn't us demanding they do it.

They're taking about Marketplace addons only, not off market and yes I'm aware most of the addons are sold on the Marketplace anyways.

3 hours ago, JBDB-MD80 said:

They're taking about Marketplace addons only, not off market and yes I'm aware most of the addons are sold on the Marketplace anyways.

No. They're talking about addons in general.

12 hours ago, micstatic said:

Though I admit the default have moved miles compared to previous generations

Indeed. Quite a few of the (new) default planes actually are payware aircraft. I myself have been flying nothing else but the payware FlightFX SF50 Vision Jet for (what must be) a year and a half or so and I was surprised (and happy) to see it has become a 'default' plane in MSFS2024! (Although I do wonder 1. if there will be differences, like when it comes to Navigraph support, and 2. if the payware version will still be available.) This might mean that MSFS2024 will be the first sim since decades (I've been simming since the eighties) that I will mainly (or even only) fly a 'default' aircraft!

BTW I have to agree though that planes like the Fenix Airbus still are of another level. (I own it but don't even have it installed...) The SF50 is of course a rather simple plane (in comparison) and also not simulated THAT good imho: FlightFX used some unrealistic tricks to 'solve' some problems: I just happen to like the plane anyway. So the fact that some payware aircraft have become default aircraft doesn't necessarily mean all default planes are of a superior quality. 😉 

Man... when I think about how my simming life was in let's say 2018... dull, boring, lacking, been there, done that, almost dead... Not a flight goes by (and I am not kidding) that I do NOT think 'Wow... it's great to be a flight simmer again thanks to MS/Asobo...!!!'

9 hours ago, JBDB-MD80 said:

They're taking about Marketplace addons only

No they're not.

On 11/5/2024 at 5:09 PM, Abriael said:

Oh yeah, a few days (if it even happens) without being able to fly an aircraft will TOTALLY make people revert to an inferior sim. 

🤦‍♂️

Who is reverting to an inferior sim?  You have got to be one of the most confrontational people on this forum at the moment ....

Some of us use specific airliners with highly customized hardware support that requires ancillary applications.  A lot of the default planes can not match this level of hardware support.  So yes, until these aircraft, ancillary applications and hardware are all supported some of us will indeed "continue to use their current sim"

Just because you don't agree with it doesn't make it wrong, it's a choice   Making out they are reverting to an inferior sim is silly.  They are using what they have until their preferred add-ons are supported.  Same thing people have done with just about every iteration of FS.

Edited November 7, 20241 yr by psolk

1 hour ago, psolk said:

Who is reverting to an inferior sim?  You have got to be one of the most confrontational people on this forum at the moment ....

Some of us use specific airliners with highly customized hardware support that requires ancillary applications.  A lot of the default planes can not match this level of hardware support.  So yes, until these aircraft, ancillary applications and hardware are all supported some of us will indeed "continue to use their current sim"

Just because you don't agree with it doesn't make it wrong, it's a choice   Making out they are reverting to an inferior sim is silly.  They are using what they have until their preferred add-ons are supported.  Same thing people have done with just about every iteration of FS.

I suggest you re-read the post I responded to. It did not imply "continue to use their current sim."

You're free to do whatever you want. I'm also free to find the attitude of assuming that an addon won't work because it hasn't been tested (while we've been told the opposite) and tying one's enjoyment of a flight simulator to a single add-on quite illogical. Not to mention the pervasive need to find something to complain about, which is stifling and eyeroll-worthy, to say the least. It's funny how freedom works. You don't need to be so defensive. 

Edited November 7, 20241 yr by Abriael

38 minutes ago, Abriael said:

tying one's enjoyment of a flight simulator to a single add-on quite illogical.

What’s “illogical” about it?  I know plenty of people that use one and only one aircraft for their entertainment … those with full cockpits that emulate the real aircraft.

It’s called “Feedback” … it’s valuable to many development teams.  As with all software development projects, there is time, resources, and ROI to consider when consuming the feedback (or complaints as you call it).

Your comment on other “inferior” simulators doesn’t provide any specific context at all, just a hit and run “freedom” taking yet another thread down the road of my sim vs. your sim.  If you have specifics then list them and your readers will decide on the judgement of “inferior” or not. 

11 hours ago, JBDB-MD80 said:

They're taking about Marketplace addons only, not off market and yes I'm aware most of the addons are sold on the Marketplace anyways.

They talking about all addons; market place or not; some might work as is some not. I doubt it most addons are sold on marketplace; lots of other shops around too and faster updates (guaranteed).

1 hour ago, CO2Neutral said:

What’s “illogical” about it?  I know plenty of people that use one and only one aircraft for their entertainment … those with full cockpits that emulate the real aircraft.

It’s called “Feedback” … it’s valuable to many development teams.  As with all software development projects, there is time, resources, and ROI to consider when consuming the feedback (or complaints as you call it).

Your comment on other “inferior” simulators doesn’t provide any specific context at all, just a hit and run “freedom” taking yet another thread down the road of my sim vs. your sim.  If you have specifics then list them and your readers will decide on the judgement of “inferior” or not. 

Funny you complain about "taking yet another thread down the road of my sim vs. your sim" but then you want it to be a detailed discussion. You may want to pick one, because they don't work well together. There's no reason or need to list specifics. From what I have seen (and I have actually tried the sim itself, not just the technical alpha) literally every other simulator on the market is inferior to MSFS2024. On every aspect (excluding DCS for obvious reasons) and not by a small margin. It's revolutionary in many ways and that is exactly why it's hard to relate with someone who professes love for simulation but isn't excited to try it out, considering the innovations it brings. That's really all that needs to be said.

It is even more challenging to relate to the people who feel the need to remark that they're not "jumping on the bandwagon" over and over again on multiple threads like it's some sort of juvenile badge of honor that makes them cool kids as opposed to the "bandwagoners." 

Lastly (but certainly not least), it's supremely challenging to relate to the people who feel outraged on behalf of Fenix, when a developer from Fenix posted on the first page of this thread that they understand why they've been left out. This discussion should have ended there and then, but it's very obvious that some just want to find excuses to bash Asobo and Microsoft regardless of how the developer in question feels about the issue.

Edited November 7, 20241 yr by Abriael

3 hours ago, Abriael said:

I suggest you re-read the post I responded to. It did not imply "continue to use their current sim."

You're free to do whatever you want. I'm also free to find the attitude of assuming that an addon won't work because it hasn't been tested (while we've been told the opposite) and tying one's enjoyment of a flight simulator to a single add-on quite illogical. Not to mention the pervasive need to find something to complain about, which is stifling and eyeroll-worthy, to say the least. It's funny how freedom works. You don't need to be so defensive. 

I find referring to someone else's choice as illogical because "you" don't understand it closed minded and belittling.  You obviously don't have a dedicated hardware cockpit like some of us do which does make us very dependent upon specific aircraft that fully support our Hardware.

I'm not defensive at all, I was simply trying to help you understand something you don't seem to grasp and was met with the same attitude you display in so many of your other posts as well.  No need to be so offensive about it.  

35 minutes ago, psolk said:

I find referring to someone else's choice as illogical because "you" don't understand it closed minded and belittling.  You obviously don't have a dedicated hardware cockpit like some of us do which does make us very dependent upon specific aircraft that fully support our Hardware.

I'm not defensive at all, I was simply trying to help you understand something you don't seem to grasp and was met with the same attitude you display in so many of your other posts as well.  No need to be so offensive about it.  

Oh please. Dedicated hardware cockpits are a fringe case and quite rare. I'm sure you're very aware that the vast majority of the people waving around their unwillingness to try MSFS2024 like a flag on every possible thread don't have that kind of investment on the line. And again, the post I responded to, which you quoted, had nothing to do with sticking to one's current sim or setup.

Thanks for the insight, but fringe and unrelated cases don't really help as much as you think they do. 

That said, it's funny that you complain about "offensive" (you're very easily offended) but you seem to be very eager to make the discussion personal. Sorry to say, but I am not interested in that. This thread isn't about me despite your attempt to make it so. It's about Fenix, and should have ended after Fenix stated its position. Unfortunately, the radical complainers had different plans, because most of them don't actually care one bit about Fenix. They're just using Fenix as an excuse to do what they do.

Edited November 7, 20241 yr by Abriael

I do not have complex hardware, and yet I only fly one aircraft at the moment (the PMDG 737-600). I really enjoy flying this plane, and the familiarity with it makes my flight simulation experiences comfortable and relaxed. Whilst I will almost certainly purchase one or two additional aircraft in MSFS, I will do so based on the similarity with my existing aircraft, rather than radical differences.

Some of us really can enjoy flight simulation from a very narrow point of view.

3 hours ago, Abriael said:

Funny you complain about "taking yet another thread down the road of my sim vs. your sim" but then you want it to be a detailed discussion

So you originated the context free comment on “inferior” other sims as starting X vs. Y, vs Z, … sim, but then try to pin it on me for wanting some context behind your ORIGINAL statement?  And you speak of logic?  

I personally don’t mind the X vs. Y vs. Z sim debates, but rarely do I see anyone able to communicate what specifically is better or worse and fall into opinion … your sweeping statement of “everything is better” is definitely not improving on context.  

In my experience with MSFS, FSX, P3D, XPlane is that they all have some things they do better and some things they do worse than the other platform.  I’m more than happy to provide context but that thread type doesn’t seem to have a home at AVSIM as it will likely get shutdown even though there are facts (not opinions) that all platforms can demonstrate is better or worse.

1 hour ago, Abriael said:

This thread isn't about me despite your attempt to make it so.

So who is writing the words that gets posted in this thread if they aren’t you?