Works both ways, if folk cannot fly the aircraft that draw them to the sim,, Maybe they look elsewhere!

3 minutes ago, Simselli said:

Works both ways, if folk cannot fly the aircraft that draw them to the sim,, Maybe they look elsewhere!

Oh yeah, a few days (if it even happens) without being able to fly an aircraft will TOTALLY make people revert to an inferior sim. 

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5 minutes ago, Abriael said:

Oh yeah, a few days (if it even happens) without being able to fly an aircraft will TOTALLY make people revert to an inferior sim. 

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Toliss and Hotstart lol, please explain where those aircraft are inferior.

7 minutes ago, Simselli said:

Toliss and Hotstart lol, please explain where those aircraft are inferior.

Toliss isn't even remotely comparable to Fenix. Not even in the same ballpark. 

Hotstart is closer, but it still runs on an inferior sim. If you think a significant number of people are gonna buy a different sim and spend $114 for an aircraft, plus all the addons needed to make the other sim even remotely viable, because they can't fly the Fenix for a few days (again, assuming that's the case, it very possibly won't be), I'm sorry (not) I see a big delusion here. 

Even more so considering that these few days, most people will be busy exploring all the new content and options. 

Edited November 5, 20241 yr by Abriael

3 hours ago, abrams_tank said:

Unfortunately, the Dev Alpha is for registered marketplace partners. Fenix is not selling in the MSFS marketplace.

That is absolutely untrue. I know of several developers that are not selling on the Marketplace and are part of the DevTech Alpha. Hence my complaining....

Yikes

Perhaps this entire thread could disappear 30% faster.

Poof!

Gone

 

23 minutes ago, Silicuss said:

That is absolutely untrue. I know of several developers that are not selling on the Marketplace and are part of the DevTech Alpha. Hence my complaining....

Did your uncle working at Nintendo tell you anything else? 

When is the Switch 2 coming?

Bottomline, Fenix themselves has posted and they understand Microsoft's reasons. Perhaps it's not your place to be outraged on their behalf. 

Edited November 5, 20241 yr by Abriael

I’m not buying MS2024 until Fenix and iFly are available for it. 

35 minutes ago, B777ER said:

I’m not buying MS2024 until Fenix and iFly are available for it. 

I wasn't planning to stick with 2020, but certainly am now, until the higher fidelity aircraft move over. Very short sighted by MS/Asobo

Edited November 6, 20241 yr by Simselli

4 hours ago, timest said:

We don't sell in the Marketplace, and we're part of the Dev Alpha.

Exactly and so was BeyondATC. These excuses people make for Asobo is hilarious. 

6 minutes ago, UAL4life said:

Exactly and so was BeyondATC.

Or they know someone who does, or maybe one of their devs has a marketplace addon.

Edited November 6, 20241 yr by Tuskin38

To be honest, it was the reason you posted this:   

12 hours ago, Abriael said:

The only objective discriminating factor was marketplace presence.

Ultimately, if they start making exceptions based on quality (or perceived quality, because then other developers with high opinions of their work would feel slighted) where do they draw the line? 

So you were clearly wrong, it was obviously NOT "the only objective factor". For the rest you are clearly right, the moment Fenix gave the feedback in this thread, discussion should be over.

12 hours ago, abrams_tank said:

Unfortunately, the Dev Alpha is for registered marketplace partners. Fenix is not selling in the MSFS marketplace.

I was hoping that the MSFS team could make an exception for companies like Fenix but I guess they couldn't.

The MSFS team has to draw a line somewhere. They can't let all companies not in the MSFS marketplace access to the dev alpha. You could have bogus companies with no released MSFS products asking for access to the dev alpha. Then comes the problem of how to verify a non-marketplace company has sold X amount of products for MSFS, if you want to set a criteria for non-marketplace companies to enter the dev alpha.

Personally, I would have included such companies as Fenix and Navigraph in the dev alpha because of their reputation and products in the MSFS community. But yeah, drawing the line somewhere is hard, because showing favortism itself is controversial.

The fact they allow some devs access to beta / alpha and denied others is simple not fair; and they know that.

Edited November 6, 20241 yr by Marc22

I wonder how many secondary marketplace purchases happen because of fenix?  People who buy marketplace airports to fly their fenix into?  
in the long term this will likely be insignificant. However I suspect my own migration to 2024 is going to take longer than I once thought. 

13 hours ago, Silicuss said:

Sometimes I do not get the decisions that are being made at MS/Asobo.

I only care about one decision they made. Or make that two.
1. They decided to create and release MSFS2020.
2. They decided to create and release MSFS2024.
Any other decision they make is fine with me. The fact that a certain plane may become available a little bit later would never be a reason for me to start complaining. We all should be extremely happy that we have MSFS2020 and that MSFS2024 is coming. I don't get the frequent moaning about MS/Asobo. We should all be grateful.

I personally can't wait for MSFS2024 to be released, no matter what addons work or won't work at release day. There is more to (simming) life that one plane that might be missing. And remember: MSFS2020 won't be magically uninstalled when you install MSFS2024 so... what's the problem anyway...!?

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