3 hours ago, Max Kraus said:

You probably paid USD not AUD like me

It was € 1500 ( euro )

17 hours ago, MrFuzzy said:

The most powerful AMD card (the 7900 XTX) is worse than our 3090 with ray tracing.

That's false, only one game where the AMD 7900XTX didn't absolutely dominate the 3090, and that was CyberPunk 2077

Anyway, AMD have the fastest CPU and a new AMD 9000 GPU series that will be about 1/2 the price of the 5090.  The AMD 9000 series GPU will also have considerably improved Ray Tracing.  As for MSFS 2024, ray tracing usage is very limited.   

23 minutes ago, CO2Neutral said:

That's false, only one game where the AMD 7900XTX didn't absolutely dominate the 3090, and that was CyberPunk 2077

I suggest you rely on official reviews made in controlled conditions rather than random YouTube videos. VVTF is is "DatGamerDude" with 49 views???

Look at this: https://www.techpowerup.com/review/amd-radeon-rx-7900-xtx/34.html

 

Edited December 31, 20241 yr by MrFuzzy

8 hours ago, MrFuzzy said:

made in controlled conditions rather than random YouTube videos

So the side by side data presented synch on the same game using same motherboard, RAM, CPU, on the same OS, and same case is somehow not accurate?  Same game at the same location with same settings displayed for viewers to verify is somehow not “controlled”?

So ignore that actual visual overlay and just believe some other website that doesn’t do any side by side sync with data overlay??

On 12/30/2024 at 4:26 AM, Max Kraus said:

I paid $3,000 for a 4090 earlier this year. I think that will do me for quite some time. (LOL @ Nividia marketing)

I paid CAD$2600 Canadian in July of this year for mine. Thats close to AUD$3000 .  Right now in Canada they are CAD$4000+

So you have a post that says MS and Asobo  will not get your money, and now Nvida won't either. They must be shaking in their boots. I guess you are sticking with Linux, XPlane and an AMD GPU then?

Edited December 31, 20241 yr by YukonPete

On 12/31/2024 at 3:30 PM, jason74 said:

I bet you will eventually give in and pay $$$ like the other 99% that say they will not be getting my money and nvidia knows it.

I have a lot of money.  That is not an issue for me to easily buy a new graphics card.  What is an issue is Nvidia and other companies taking customers for a ride.  On principles therefore, "Nvidia will not get my money".

9 hours ago, Greazer said:

On principles therefore, "Nvidia will not get my money".

I've gone very cold to nVidia after they sold out to Bitcoin and then when Bitcoin failed they came running back to gamers with 25 different GPUs Skews for tiny variants of the same reference design sold at higher profit margins ... then "AI" came along and they now want "gamers" to fund their deep investments into AI via extreme profit margins on 5090. 

nVidia AI isn't "real AI", it's the same process corps have been doing for years, monitor your activity, determine patterns, then try to sell you something based on those patterns and location tracking.  There is nothing nVidia produced that is truly self learning ... it's yet again a marketing buzzword they want to latch onto to make even greater profit margins.  nVidia is a company I don't want to invest in and I have ZERO interest in gaming above 60 FPS ... leave that for the OCD users.

Edited January 1, 20251 yr by CO2Neutral

3 hours ago, CO2Neutral said:

I've gone very cold to nVidia after they sold out to Bitcoin and then when Bitcoin failed they came running back to gamers with 25 different GPUs Skews for tiny variants of the same reference design sold at higher profit margins ... then "AI" came along and they now want "gamers" to fund their deep investments into AI via extreme profit margins on 5090.

NV didn't "sell out" to crypto miners - they just had a product that temporarily had far more economic value to miners than it did to gamers. How were they to prevent miners from buying one in favor of gamers?

And you have no idea how large the profit margin is on AI accelerators - they are subsidizing gaming, not the other way around.

12 minutes ago, Luke said:

NV didn't "sell out" to crypto miners

Sure they did, inventory that would normally go out to retail outlets like BestBuy, Microcenter, and even online stores got redirected in favor of crypto miners ... shipments never made it to retail and got allocated to crypto miners (which is essentially used by illegal entities to move questionable sources of money secretly).  Quantum computing will soon spell the end of crypto for good (accountability is needed).  

In my experience, when you establish a relationship with primary outlets and then say "too bad we have someone else now" it's called "selling out" ... business relationships are important and it's not always about immediate $$$ returns.  Such activity is referred to as "just business" and it will modify long term business relationships.   Retail will look for ways to "protect" such business practices in the future.  

If you want to remove "ethics" from all business activity then perhaps that's a different discussion for another thread and will involve large corporate manipulation of politics and people which I don't think AVSIM will allow.

NPU side of nVidia are not subsidizing anything, in fact, they shifted GPU resource to NPU ... how is that subsidizing?  Neural Processing Units have now reached their limit as they aren't improving ... reached their peak.  In my coding, I've used (JetBrains) AI and out of the 6 months, only ONCE did it generate code that I was going write out ... and it was pretty basic stuff.  It has not improved, more a curiosity now than really being useful ... why?  Because AI isn't really "Artificial Intelligence" it should be called advance data analysis with generated results.

As far as nVidia profit margins on NPUs, mid 70% profit margin ... primarily because they are the current leader in NPUs.

On 12/31/2024 at 4:10 PM, YukonPete said:

I paid CAD$2600 Canadian in July of this year for mine. Thats close to AUD$3000 .  Right now in Canada they are CAD$4000+

I bought my Gigabyte 4090 on sale from Newegg for CAD$2699 before Christmas.  Amazon also had one for $3k.

There were definitely others posted for sale near $4k also.

16 hours ago, CO2Neutral said:

NPU side of nVidia are not subsidizing anything, in fact, they shifted GPU resource to NPU ... how is that subsidizing? 

Here are NV's latest results: https://nvidianews.nvidia.com/news/nvidia-announces-financial-results-for-third-quarter-fiscal-2025 Gaming business, $3b. Data center.... $30b. Almost all good gaming silicon that NV releases could have been sold as a data center product at much higher margin. The 4060s and 3050s? Meh.

16 hours ago, CO2Neutral said:

Neural Processing Units have now reached their limit as they aren't improving ... reached their peak.  In my coding, I've used (JetBrains) AI and out of the 6 months, only ONCE did it generate code that I was going write out ... and it was pretty basic stuff.  It has not improved, more a curiosity now than really being useful ... why?  Because AI isn't really "Artificial Intelligence" it should be called advance data analysis with generated results.

If you want to draw conclusions of the entire ML market based on the autocomplete quality in your IDE, you're welcome to. I don't think you'll come up with particularly useful or valid ones, though.

On 1/2/2025 at 9:05 AM, Luke said:

If you want to draw conclusions of the entire ML market based on the autocomplete quality in your IDE, you're welcome to. I don't think you'll come up with particularly useful or valid ones, though.

So far it’s been the only useful application in my day to day development activity.  Other AI implementations I’ve added to our software for damage recognition (various real world objects) and automation of repair/work orders is about 73% accurate … which means we have to verify anyway, so AI is really just an extra expensive step … and that accuracy isn’t going to hack it.  We need to achieve an accuracy that is better than human accuracy.  But this isn’t true AI.

Anyway, you’re not seriously suggesting what nVidia are doing with “AI” is true Artificial Intelligence??